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  1. The instructions for the LBSCR (a Westinghouse Brake line) for working with the Vacuum Automatic Brake state: All pipes operating Brake-blocks are painted Black, and all Pipes not operating Brake-blocks are painted a bright red. It is interesting that in BR days, a number of Southern and pre-Grouping coaches, after about 1955, had the metal work of the brake hoses painted a bright red, and some had a red band around the flexible hose as well. Presumably a different convention, as it is unlikely that these coaches were not automatically braked.
  2. Brake hoses, in general, were probably made out of vulcanised rubber, and this was usually black in colour, as carbon black is added for extra strength, although they would appear as dark grey from any distance. Westinghouse pipes did not require reinforcement, as they only had to withstand internal pressure, and hence plain tubing could be used, with a smooth surface. Pipes for vacuum brakes had to withstand external pressure, requiring wired reinforcement to prevent the hose collapsing, hence the ribbing to the pipe, and sometimes, I think, a fabric covering. "The Big Four in Colour" is an excellent source for such details, including a thirties photo of a GER 0-4-0ST. Paint probably wouldn't last long on a flexible pipe anyway, but there is a picture of a Lord Nelson class, prepared for Royal Train duty, with a white painted front brake hose. The LBSC colour coding mentioned wasn't applied to the pipe itself, just the connectors (brass?), and I think the later standard was applied to the colour of the rigid section of the brake standard.
  3. The LSWR has a dozen gunpowder vans that looked "exactly" like the GWR Minks, built to a similar design. The LBSC had four GPVs, but they looked like sheet-covered versions of their standard van design, so only tenuously similar to the GWR. Similarly the SECR, serving more explosive manufacturing companies than the others, has some 25 GPVs, again based upon sheeted versions of their standard designs. Several of all three companies' vans survived into the 1950s, in various guises. The SR wagon books refer to these vans being painted in standard Southern wagon brown, and not red.
  4. Although it is being manufactured using a modern production technique, if not exactly in bulk production numbers, I wonder whether the process is currently up to achieving the flatness required for a metal sheet bodied vehicle. Experience with the recent SECR vans (I think I was lucky with my one example) showed up the potential failings, with the striations imparted by the process occasionally being visible. Even on a wooden bodied wagon, some people found the effect on their models unacceptable, and the sheer plainness of the Mink's flanks will make them, I suspect, even more noticeable. I just hope the team's experience with the SECR vans will see an improvement.
  5. I've found the Scalefour Society forum thread describing the construction of the etchings in fantastic detail https://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=5530&p=55626&hilit=suter#p55626 but I cannot find any details as to whether the kit is still available. Any pointers?
  6. old-maps website has a 1970's OS map showing the out of use system. Part of it as this snapshot from their website.
  7. Wouldn't Health and Safety require some means of controlling the public access to the car park through the goods yard? Perhaps not moving signals, but lots of signage as a minimum.
  8. I recently posted a reply to a post by @Londontram regarding the LNWR Problem Class, and I was puzzled to find that I had apparently created a parallel posting, as there were then two threads simultaneously present. I assumed that I had posted at exactly the same time as another respondent, causing this duplication. My version of the post had the little star in the left corer, but ghosted, whatever that might mean. I could quite understand how, in the circumstances, my post might then have disappeared into the ether, but I was surprised to find that @Londontram had reacted to my post, but when I clicked on the notification I got this screen I'm not bothered about my words of wisdom disappearing, others came up with the same answer, I'm just curious to now what might have happened.
  9. Although the SECR was fairly quick at fitting vacuum ejectors to ex-LCDR locos, they were in no rush to remove the Westinghouse equipment, especially on the 0-4-4 tanks, where it proved useful for the later type of pull-push equipment. For the 4-4-0 classes, the Westinghouse brake removal started around 1907, but several survived to grouping intact, although the Southern soon scrapped them. No doubt the retention of Westinghouse brakes on ex-LCDR locos reflected the need to work with LBSC coaches, the newly formed SECR not only had some 16 C Class built new with the air brakes, the R1 0-4-4 tanks built under their aegis to the LCDR design all arrived with air brakes too, as well as 16 of the new H class, and some ex-SER locos has Westinghouse brakes to deal with LBSC trains. The transfer of LCDR coaches to the Isle of Wight took place in 1930/1 - the Southern would have had plenty of time to remove the Westinghouse brakes if the SECR hadn't.
  10. Try this one, a proper colour photo taken around 1905 at Eastbourne. https://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10692723&itemw=4&itemf=0001&itemstep=1&itemx=1 I hope the link works across the Atlantic.
  11. According to an article by the Reverend Canon Brian Arman in Railway Archive Issue 38, his friend, Tudor Watkins, described "Both the Brecon & Merthyr and Neath & Brecon railways painted their locomotives in a deep brick red livery. Before the First World War , the engines were generally beautifully kept and more than adequately maintained". There is no mention of whether the lining matched, but there is an enigmatic comment "In their heyday, however, they presented a most colourful and contrasting appearance" with no further comment as to what they were contrasting with. The article goes on to say:"...the Midland Railway had worked the N&BR passenger service between Brecon and Ystradgynlais Junction and thence via the Swansea Vale Railway to Swansea since 1887, a working agreement which lasted until 31st December 1930." However, it adds "For a short time in 1889, the N&BR were forced to work the whole of their main line when they fell out with the Midland due to a dispute over rents and rates." The dispute was short lived, and the N&BR won the rates battle, prompted by the appointment of Sir Edward Watkin as their new chairman. It was through Sir Edward that the N&BR was able to borrow some MSLR rolling stock to get over the lack of Midland vehicles.
  12. Dean Sidings are now under the Phoenix Paints umbrella https://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/products/deansidings-lnerly but the B17/5 doesn't seem to be currently available, but it might be worth contacting them anyway.
  13. HMRS drawings service https://hmrs.org.uk/drawings/standard-wagon-axlebox-e.html
  14. Superimposing the wagon drawing over the loading gauges doesn't show up any clash, but is there any significance in the fact that the photo in Tatlow of the wagon's partner, 21650, as built, has square ends to its rather hefty buffer beam, whereas all the other machinery wagons in the book have the bottom end cut on the diagonal? There doesn't appear to be any writing on the side to back up the drawing - perhaps they found out by accident and applied the warning before getting round to trimming the beam?
  15. Looking at https://www.devboats.co.uk/gwdrawings/loadinggauges.php there are details of a number of pre-grouping loading gauges. Although the Caledonian is a bit shy on the upper measurements, compared with the GER, the differences are small and shared with a number of major companies, including the NBR, MR, LNWR, GNR and GCR. However, comparing the two overall envelopes, as attached, it is clear that the Caledonian, in purple, had issues at near to track level, when compared with the GER, in orange, which is similar to the other companies' diagrams on the website.
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