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  1. As Mike said, accident reports are a useful source of information. As this snippet from a report from 1919 of an incident at Streatham Common on the LBSCR:- "The passenger train comprised 10 vehicles, including 8 eight-wheeled bogie carriages,1 six-wheeled brake van, and 1 four-wheeled horse box, in the order named, and was drawn by tank engine No. 248, type 0-4-2."
  2. I'm a bit confused, as the GNR was a vacuum braked line, and hence the vacuum brake gear, as shown in the kit instructions, will be required and is very prominent. Many of this type of van were, however, dual-fitted and hence a Westinghouse brake cylinder and reservoir will be required. As John's picture of the NBR underframe suggests, these items are very discreet, and may then be virtually invisible, obscured by all the vacuum brake's appendages. If the practice of other lines is adopted, when dual fitted, I believe the Westinghouse brake gear is positioned on the opposite side of the unde
  3. You are very lucky to have picked up a (rare) D&S kit for your first attempt. One of the better producers of kits at the time, and his instructions are much better than most. Best to read through the instructions, with the frets in front of you, several times, to understand the sequence, and ask here if anything doesn't become clear, before detaching too many bits from the frets.
  4. Bradley makes the specific point that the superheated boiler on the T9 was at the same pitch as the original, unlike all the other superheated classes. The two GA drawings in his Wild Swan book on the subject reflect this.
  5. I don't think there is any reason. Your ideas seem perfectly doable, and I have contemplated doing the same, albeit with a Crownline white metal kit. It is the Class 700 0-6-0 that is hard to backdate, as the boiler was pitched higher in the rebuilding, whereas the T9 pitch remained the same.
  6. Since neither Hornby nor Hattons have modelled a turn-under to the ends, (not a tumblehome anyway) this won't be a differentiating factor!
  7. The Brighton wasn't unique in this sort of ducket arrangement. @brossard is building an NBR vehicle with a similar layout, although closer to the Hatton's version, and several other lines had similar examples, but of course the roof profile (semi-elliptical?) is very different, but quite common throughout the UK, perhaps another "generic" failure from the manufacturers? Although the end turn-under was the GWR general practice, they did built flat-ended examples in the 1870's which also had a simple arc roof. There are a number of examples on @Penrhos1920 website, as this s
  8. What is "standard" for a roof profile? Many lines eschewed a simple arc roof like the Hornby and Hattons versions anyway. From what I could tell from the Hatton's drawings, based on LBSC designs, their roof profile was higher than Stroudley's and slightly lower than that adopted by Billinton. Judged only by photos of Hornby's offerings, they have got quite close to the Stroudley profile on the four wheelers, and it seems that they have used the same profile on the six wheelers, making them look very squat, if the video of one behind a GWR 2-8-2T is anything to go by. If so they are closer to
  9. These drawings may help. The first is a Drummond LSWR 700 Class 0-6-0, very similar to the Barney, and it clearly shows how the rods are not a single thickness throughout, being 2" thick, I think, for the main section, but considerably wider at the crankpins, which are 4½" in diameter. The knuckles seem to be at least 4" thick too. The other drawing is of a Barney from Tatlow's book. I haven't tried scaling the depth of the rod, but it should be a simple task. They don't look as if they are absolutely straight, though, looking a bit deeper in the centre.
  10. In the good old days of RMweb, you had to give a sensible location before you could post. That seems to have gone by the board a long time ago, giving rise to unfortunate geographically inappropriate suggestions, like mine! PM sent.
  11. I don't know if they are suitable, or available separately, but Brassmasters have the old R&E range which includes a GCR Full Brake on 8' Robinson bogies. Illustration taken from the Brassmasters instruction sheet.
  12. If you can get hold of "Bashers, Gadgets and Mourners" from the Bahamas Locomotive Society, you will find almost everything you need to know about Coal Tanks, including a general arrangement drawing, and a series of elevation drawings, at something like 5mm to the foot, showing typical conditions at various stages in their long life.
  13. That looks very like the LSWR Ilfracombe Goods, a standard Beyer Peacock product, already supplied to Sweden, which was also standard gauge. Several went to the three southern Colonel Stephens' lines after mainline use. Branchline do two kits in 4mm, I think for the original version as per the photo, and the LSWR rebuild version. Photo courtesy of Colonel Stephens Society The majority of LSWR locos ordered by the Beatties, father and son, were heavily BP based, and they had heavier BP designed double framed goods locos and saddle tanks as well. (Chivers did, long ago, a white metal k
  14. Have a look at Burgundy's excellent Modellers' Digest www.lbscr.org/Models/Digest/LBSCR-Modellers-Digest-12.pdf where I have tried to compare the Hatton's offerings to the real thing. I'd do the same for the Hornby if I had reasonable drawings, as working off photos isn't the best idea.
  15. Chivers did etched kits for the four and six wheeled brake vans, but, sadly, they've not been available for some time, and they are not featuring in the resurrection of the range, which is concentrating on the plastic kits.
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