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The latest image does look closer to the real thing, though the 'fat' prysmatic windows are unlikely to capture the flush glazing of the original. Despite that, I will almost certainly go for one having commuted on it right up to its final days and repeatedly called for it on wishlists. I am not sure I can cope with the expense and storage of a prototypical pair, though. And I await the final overall height with a nervous eye on some of my shallower tunnel and bridge clearances.

The latest image does look closer to the real thing, though the 'fat' prysmatic windows are unlikely to capture the flush glazing of the original. Despite that, I will almost certainly go for one having travelled to school on it right up to its final days and repeatedly called for it on wishlists. I am not sure I can cope with the expense and storage of a prototypical pair, though. And I await the final overall height with a nervous eye on some of my shallower tunnel and bridge clearances.

Interesting project, which caught my eye as your map seems to have obliterated my mother's old house in Prior St, indeed the whole street is missing. Brand Street and Royal Hill are either side of where it still is, so it appears the map has managed what the Luftwaffe failed to do. How old is the map? The Greenwich Park line cutting went under Prior St and what I believe is a two-story railway building can be seen next to the allotment that has been established above the filled-in approach.

A couple of snaps from the Brighton line. Apologies for the quality!

Tempted by a green one. But my layout is roughly '60s south London. I know they worked out of Stratford, and I actually saw a Fragonset one at Selhurst depot, but were they ever seen south of the river on a regular or even sporadic basis?

Her talent was enormous and her generosity to fellow musicians made Fleetwood Mac. Watched the excellent documentary last night and learned a lot. The band was a truly magical combination in their glory days. Mick's genius was to keep them together for so long. RIP Songbird.

Thanks Jenny for the excellent video report. I am impressed by the model, though I will wait to see a finished sample before diving into the wallet. I think the key for me will be how much prismatic effect there is in the glazing, as this was one of the most flush-glazed curved window designs ever; it was pure schoolboy pleasure to sit upstairs, face pressed against the window to watch the Kidbrook tunnel roof flashing by right overhead. Bonus question; Do the wired interior carriage connectors have a close coupling function? The gap looks very good on the straight.

Back to the 4DD. Did anyone get some better pictures at Warley to settle the fishbelly question?

Thanks for these pics. I was not sure when the merrygoround coal trains to Northfleet started. It may well not have been early '70s, but the last pic does show a 47 in two tone green. It is not critical for me as my SE layout includes electric, late steam and lots of 33s, but I do have 47s in green and blue and a Bachmann 45 in green, so my church is broad depending on my mood. I was looking at the Heljan 45 but I would like some guidance on when the 45s ran into Kent and whether any had been spotted on this work. It would be good to get an appropriate version in the appropriate colour.

A bit off topic, but can anyone suggest which Peaks, version, names or numbers ventured into Kent with HAA coal trains for the Thameside cement works during the early to mid '60s? I have seen a picture of a 45 double-headed by a class 33, but cannot make out a number. Any pointers gratefully received.

Having studied the first pressing side view image, I realised that the pale line running across the guards van door windows is actually light creeping under the far side of the posed moulding, suggesting that the bottom of the power bogie section of the body is higher than the rest of the carriage so the 'fishbelly' may be there after all. I have no explanation for the head-on shot showing the cab front resting flat on the table surface, unless the driver body was tipped forwards to show that the cab section is shorter than the trailer car body. I agree that the cab front windows need work on the corner radii, but I am reserving judgement on the upstairs windows. They will need to be pictured with glass and paint applied to see if they look right. It is the critical aspect of this model I suspect.

Oops, I did not realise the windows were different on either side.

Thank you everyone for the comments and information. With all the variations revealed I am still left wondering if there isn't room for someone out there to produce a common 'Bachmann windows matching' non-driving trailer body shell with separate roof variations as an add-on component. No disrespect to Replica, but their windows don't match and their cab side window is oversize, I believe.

I have examined the Replica possibilities, but I too was put off by the fact that the profile is not a perfect match for the Bachmann models. The 3D experts solution is very attractive, though they might be surprised by the sudden rush of orders. I think there is probably plenty of pent-up demand out there.

It is a mystery. I saw an excellent cut and shut version on a layout at the Gillingham show and I have those 'wrong number' bodies and two 2EPBs, but I do not have the sawing, filling, glueing or painting skills to produce more than a passable dog's breakfast. I have a southern suburban layout and the 4EPB is the biggest missing item as you say, so maybe while I wouldn't stretch to a 4BEP or 4TC, I would probably stump up that sort of money for what I actually want/need.