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Thought it appropriate to use this existing thread to mention that my next two etched brass 4mm NBR Goods Brake van kits are now available and are listed on my website where more information can be found. 9109 NBR Dia. 88: LNER Dia. 36B: brake van (6 wheel, originally 17 Tons, uprated to 20 Tons) and 9110 NBR Dia. n/a: LNER Dia. 32B: brake van (4 wheel, 20 Tons. Designed by the NBR but actually built by the LNER in 1923) Suitable transfers for the NBR period are available separately from Old Time Workshop 4820

Thought it appropriate to use this old thread to mention that my next two etched brass 4mm NBR Goods Brake van kits are now available and are listed on my website where more information can be found. 9109 NBR Dia. 88: LNER Dia. 36B: brake van (6 wheel, originally 17 Tons, uprated to 20 Tons) and 9110 NBR Dia. n/a: LNER Dia. 32B: brake van (4 wheel, 20 Tons. Designed by the NBR but actually built by the LNER in 1923) Suitable transfers for the NBR period are available separately from Old Time Workshop 4820

Just to add my recent experience when purchasing a decoder with added sound file, speaker and stay alive. Placed online order Friday 1340, received through my letterbox Saturday 1015. Excellent service by Digitrains and credit where it is due, also to the Post Office for such a quick delivery.

This website should give you a brief history of NBR signal boxes. As for which one, I guess a lot depends on any limitations with the laser-cutting process and kit assembly. Simplest is probably the early all brick which were built to different lengths. A good example still intact is Bogside (Fife) on the closed Stirling & Dunfermline line. The design undergoes development over the years, the vertical pillars between the sash windows becoming narrower, later still with taller sash windows. A further refinement (1908) sees the sash windows changed with smaller upper windows above much larger lower windows. If you contact the North British Railway Study Group, they should be able to provide scale drawings.

Old Time Workshop A search suggests there is not a thread already started for this company so thought I would start one. I had not heard of this company until recently and was pleasantly surprised to find they have quite an interesting range of transfers for 4mm & 7mm as well as 7mm etched name and number plates. A recent release are waterslide transfers intended to complete the North British Railway ballast wagon, a 7mm brass kit of which is available from 62C Models. This includes alternative yard allocations, BATHGATE UPPER, COWLAIRS, LADYBANK & PORTOBELLO Also for the 7mm NB modeller are several generic 'N' 'B', quatrefoils, inverted crescents with a good selection of separate build/paint dates and tare weights. 4mm NB modellers are not to be forgotten as this sheet includes transfers for NB Goods Brake Vans as well as the ballast truck and generic lettering.

The NBR Corpse Van were in regular use until the end of WW1 but their use became less common into the Grouping - probably due to cost and the advent of the motor hearse. They passed into LNER stock but it is unlikely they were repainted or renumbered and they were scrapped by the end of 1926. But maybe not all - it appears one, possibly more were sold into private ownership to the Dunragit Creamery which had its own siding off the Portpatrick Railway and operated over the G&SWR. Livery is believed to have been a dull yellow. If anyone is interested in the 4mm resin kit, a couple are still available from the NBRSG, £34·00 each (£28·50 to NBRSG members) plus £4·00 post and packing. Details on how to order are here A step-by-step build can be found here

Attached is a rough outline of how the brake rigging should be on this carriage. Only the actuating rods from the Westinghouse cylinder to the weigh bar can really be seen below the chassis. Please note that the Westinghouse reservoir is marked in the correct place. This Bk3 is longer than the PBV you are referring to for the chassis structure and this vehicle has additional cross framing. Yes that is a vacuum pipe you have fitted, the Westinghouse pipe is still on the sprue. Top left is the gas control cover and top right is the cover for the emergency alarm, both for the carriage end. 4 WHEEL BK3 brake arrangements.pdf

There should not be a "Part R" for the 4-wheel BK3 as they were Westinghouse only. I suspect Peter is using instructions from his 6-wheel carriages and carried this over? There is a "Part W" (located on fret next to body end steps) which after folding, spaces the Westinghouse cylinder off the underneath of the floor. I have PM'd pdf images of the BK3 which I only completed for Peter a couple of days ago and will be included in future kits. I've still to work on a detail drawing showing the brake rodding/weigh bars.

Hi John, Hope the following images makes sense. Basically fold down the four bearing supports and the 8 "ears" which the wire suspension will go through, soldering the folds for strength. (Do not fill the hole with solder!) The bearing carrier (black in the 3rd image) should have the wire run through the half etched grooves and crimped to secure. Ensure that the bearing carrier can float vertically and is not catching on the bearing support. I'll apologise now for the mistake in the body where you will find the half etched holes for the door bump stops were etched fully! Just means additional work inserting a short length of 0.45/0.50mm brass wire and trimming each.

Likewise, I would like to record my own praise of Andrew and an appreciative thanks for the service he provides us. I have used Wizard Models over the years for both my personal modeling requirements as well as bulk purchases of castings and etches to supply NBRSG resin wagon kits and have not once been let down. Despite the size of the range, I remain amazed at his ability to usually supply direct from stock held. While I understand his reasons for withdrawing from the exhibition scene*, I for one will miss a good rummage through his stand. Inevitably I would always come away with additional purchases than intended.... *I believe he may still attend a couple of scale shows each year, when they restart again.

Curiously my H15 kit also was mising its dome. It was bought secondhand off Ebay with all the bags still sealed, still I accept I will need to pay for one. I emailed PDK on 30th January enquiring as to availability of a replacement I could purchase as it is not yet listed on their parts list but never heard back. Really should chase that up so I can complete the body. Other than the missing dome, a really nice kit to make though bending that footplate to match the valance is an interesting challenge.

I also think this is Edzell located in Angus, 5 miles north of Brechin. The NBRSG digital archive has a similar image possibly taken the same day, dated 04/03/1961

Burntisland 1883 has seen a considerable amount of work over the summer. To whet your appetite's, some recent images as a teaser of what is to come...…..

SPATE Speed Previously Advertised Terminated Early Rgd's Ian

Coincidentally, I came across this short film of the now preserved Dandy No.1 in service with a bonus shot of Dandy No.2 from 24 seconds on. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RfO9ySKK3Ns?rel=0"frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I should have added a wee caveat that details taken from "Sir Eric's Notebook" articles need to be checked carefully as evidence often contradicts what he wrote. NBR wagons are in general painted all over grey, including the iron work except for that below the solebar which is black. Photographs showing iron work picked out in black tend to be found on wagons specially prepared for photographing and not seen in general service examples. The grey I used was indeed Phoenix Precision P679 NBR Freight Wagon Grey and I agree is darker than I would like. I would also agree that the duck egg green reference is most likely found inside the van for the reasons you give and the veranda area is most likely the same as the external colour.

Hi, found this discussion on the NBR brake vans by chance and as the individual behind NBR 4mm Developments thought I would add some info. Hmm, that image does make the interior look rather yellow on my website....... It is actually, "duck egg green" and was referenced from a December 1955 Railway Modeller article by Sir Eric Hutchison, Bart. The full description: "Painting was as follows: van sides and solebars medium grey (a rather lighter shade, much lighter than the "lead" colour so often used on goods stock) ; van ends, headstocks and buffer bodies, bright red ; all ironwork, black ; roof, tyres, chimney and writing, white. During the 1914-18 war, vans which were built or repainted did not have the ironwork picked out in black, and this economy lasted until grouping. Inside, the painting was duck-egg green" My own range of brake vans are my first attempt at designing an etched brass kit and was a limited release while I had stocks of the white-metal castings. I have managed to obtain more castings just last weekend for all but the buffers and would hope to be able to re-release the kits when I have them. One of my other casters has over the past couple of years for family reasons not been in a position to undertake more spins for me and I do not wish to add any pressure onto him. ​I had considered the 51L buffers but the additional price starts to make the kit uneconomic, I am not so much a cottage industry as a spare room equivalent and that is when I am not driving the 12" to the 1' trains full time (and most of my rest days !!) ​Brgds Ian

Managed to find a list of traders attending Scotgog 2017 but not the layouts (!) on the ukmodelshops website which I have "cut and paste" below. List of Traders Attending : Scenic Solutions The Tower Collection Blackpool JPL Models Alba Railway Models Helmsman Model Rail The Model Tree Shop Invertrain Model Railways Parkside Dundas 62c Models Douglas Blades Books

Looking over the previous 4 pages, I cannot find any mention of this Saturdays exhibition at Linlithgow. As it is deserving of better publicity, I have copied details below which are taken from the O Gauge Guild website. Scotgog 2017 Date: Sat 14 October 2017 Location: Low Port Centre, 1 Blackness Road, Linlithgow, Lothian EH49 7HZ Price: ADMISSION: Adults £6 Information: OPENING TIMES: 10am - 4pm SCOTGOG 2017 A friendly O Gauge Guild supported show in Central Scotland showing 3 layouts, Ayr MRC Test Track (DC & DCC), Guild E&T in attendance, together with a good selection of Traders and Society Stands. Canteen facilities available.

The following is a generalisation but should answer your query regarding the end hand rails. When Drummond introduces the design of both the 4 and 6 wheels carriages to the NBR, he uses the body width of 7'6". The body ends have 3 steps on the left side only with a curved handrail reaching just under the roof with a single hand-grab on the roof itself, above the steps. The right hand side has a short and straight handrail. You will get away with choosing either end for fitting the emergency alarm and gas control gear on the all First and Third. On the Brake Third and Brake Composite, I believe they should be on the luggage compartment end. (An exception are the 4-wheel PBV and BT vehicles which have the 5 steps at one end only This is because the guards windows are at the opposite end!) After Holmes takes over c1883, he continues with the design but gradually introduces a couple of visual changes. There is a move to 5 steps at one body end only with curved handrails either side of the steps. The roof will have 2 grab handles above the steps. The plain body end has the short and straight handrails. The emergency alarm and gas control gear is also on the plain end. The body width is increased to 8'0" with the exception of the guard/brake vehicles which continue with the 7'6" width. This is so that the guards look-out ducket stays within the loading gauge! The only visual clue to the body width is that on the 7'6" vehicles, the solebar and headstock are flush at the corners while the 8'0" vehicle has the headstock extending beyond the solebar. Hope this helps. Ian

Thank you Peter for bringing the goods brake vans to the RMweb audience. Thought the attached images may be of some interest. The assembled brake vans are my test builds from the production etch

If you go back to page 1, posts 8, 12 and 20 will show you some of my 4mm NBR 6-wheel carriage developments. If I was only doing the etches, then you would have had them 4 years ago but then you would find that you could not complete them as castings and other detailing parts are not available. It is my intention to be able to supply a complete kit, less the usual wheels, couplings etc. ​However, all these needed test building (done) chassis development (onto 3rd version and proven in OO and P4) I certainly now have a better understanding and sympathy for the likes of Hornby and Bachmann when announced new models are delayed...... This is for me, just as it is for everyone else a hobby and has to fit in with my job, family and domestic duties. Attached you will see how far I have got with producing those castings, all of which take time and money. The bottom right casting is the former Decent Models alarm and gas control which I would prefer to replace with something better. These have required learning new skills (ie 3D CAD and printing) Incidentally a benefit to the 7mm modellers who will have also discovered that the detail parts were not available either. Where do you think the masters for 62C Models parts came from? For those who make the pilgrimage to ModelRail Scotland 2017 in February at the SECC, you will also see a new rake of my carriages on Burntisland 1883 which includes some earlier NBR prototypes under development. (Shameless plug for the show and the groups layout!) My website is long overdue an update and after the NBRSG journal is posted this week then hopefully I can show what has been happening the past year. http://www.nbr4mm.co.uk/

The underframes are drawn as if you had turned the model carriage upside down and looking at it. Jamie - that looks like one of the images I gave you last year on the USB stick at Telford.

Well holiday over and not only back home but back to work! Managed to go through my references and the gas tanks on NBR 6-wheel carriages are 5' long x 1' 6 7/8" diameter. The 4-wheel tanks are 8' 8" long by comparison. As to location, hopefully the attached diagrams explain better than words. Also on the drawing is the alignment of the gas feed pipe from the carriage end to the lamps, in this case for a 5-comp 1st. Note, that unlike in the image of the CR carriage which has been converted later in its life to gas, the tank bottom will only just be visible below the solebar. As for the door handle, this taken of the NBR Holmes bogie on the Strathspey Railway. For more images taken this year of the carriage, again see the posts on the NBRSG forum site. Sadly, I do not believe this vehicle will last much longer.......... http://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=297 Hope this helps Ian

Don't fit those tanks just yet......... I am on holiday just now so I cannot refer to my drawings but link below is to images of the surviving NBR 6-wheel chassis at Bo'ness on the NBRSG forum. http://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=116 (at least I hope the link works as using the wife's notebook while she is not looking!) Definitely two gas tanks, not on the centre line but fitted within the framework of the chassis. Note that the tanks are shorter than those on the 4-wheel carriage. Care also has to be taken as to location of Westinghouse brake cylinder and actuator as well as the Vacuum cylinder (where fitted). Best surviving works drawing is for the brake carriages and show Westinghouse equipment offset due to the guards equipment. Will try and post further when we return. Brgds Ian