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A very belated reply – for which apologies Mike – but I have found this shot of a similar wagon in ECC livery. The one on the tippler still has grease boxes so must have been pretty ancient by BR days! The shape of the top plank at the non-door end is slightly different...
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'Printing' a Gloucester wagon
wagonman replied to Andy Vincent's topic in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding
As Gloucester were building over 60 of the things it may well have made sense for them to cast the axleboxes themselves using patterns sent from Gorton. I am not familiar enough with the conventions of such transactions to be more definitive. -
'Printing' a Gloucester wagon
wagonman replied to Andy Vincent's topic in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding
I concede Bill's point about the axleboxes, and probably other fittings, which must have been supplied by Gorton. The most obvious connection is Sam Fay. He was, up to 1899, Secretary and General Manager of the MSWJR upon whose line Edward(e)s' stable was located. It is conceivable that the men knew each other, though at the time of the horse box order Fay was back at Nine Elms. He took up his position as General Manager of the GCR in 1902. The timeline is not quite perfect! -
'Printing' a Gloucester wagon
wagonman replied to Andy Vincent's topic in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding
Another example is the Highland Castles built for the French Ouest. -
'Printing' a Gloucester wagon
wagonman replied to Andy Vincent's topic in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding
That's my thinking too. They had just built a batch of these horse boxes for the GCR so had the drawings (and jigs?) to hand, so it was the obvious choice of design when they received the order from Edwards. And as you say, no involvement of the GCR at all. Richard -
'Printing' a Gloucester wagon
wagonman replied to Andy Vincent's topic in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding
The Gloucester Agendas, notoriously terse, merely state "11 December 1901; new cash; George Edwards one horse box" which rather implies they built it though I suppose they could have been acting as intermediaries. It also implies ownership by Edwards rather than mere hire. The railway companies were forbidden from building locomotives for sale to other railways/operators – did this also apply to rolling stock? One assumes it did due to the lack of any known examples – a bit of a black swan argument. The MSWJR did own three horseboxes described as "ex-privately owned" – this one was not included in that trio. Richard -
What Norfolk folk call "a lazy wind" – it doesn't go round you, it goes through you. I expect there are countless local variations. Still it does seem apposite standing on our beach looking north as there's nothing between you and the North Pole except the odd oil rig and what's left of the Polar icecap. But no snow.
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A typical S&DJR train, c. 1902?
wagonman replied to Compound2632's topic in Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway Group
Erm... Rowland Brotherhood was based in Chippenham, not Cheltenham!