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  1. At 1262 pages that is a big ask! We're heading for War and Peace territory...
  2. Bear in mind these figures are for the whole of Norfolk. NW Norfolk is very different to South Norfolk (Breckland – main export rabbits) or indeed East Norfolk (heavier soils, smaller, predominantly mixed farms). NW Norfolk is large estates, arable, 'High Farming' as Arthur Young called it. More recently Susannah Wade-Martins has done a lot of work on this, ad of course Christine Hiskey has written the definitive history of the Holkham Estate. My village was littered with small orchards – we still have a fig tree and an espaliered pear tree in our garden, but I presume it was mostly/all for local consumption. Holt station had a granary owned by Page & Turner of Blakeney, presumably built when they stopped using their ships and transferred their trade to the railway at the end of the C19th. I managed to grab a quick photo of it just before it was demolished – unfortunately the non-railway side. There was a central lucam on the other frontage.
  3. I would discount fish/milk traffic. This part of Norfolk is mostly arable with no dairy to speak of. Any fish is probably carted from the coast. Circus trains are even rarer! Grain traffic might be worth thinking about though...
  4. If you look at the figures at a district rather than county level, North Norfolk has usually been in the bottom (ie lowest) half dozen or so in terms of infection rate despite the influx of tourists. In part this must be due to an elderly and risk averse demographic.
  5. I saw a meme on Twitter recently – no really – where Bill Gates was congratulating himself on having decided to hide his microchips in Ivermectin instead of the vaccine...
  6. Which is presumably why the pigs were put in crates – to make it less interesting.
  7. I believe the unfortunate porkers that made the final journey to Calne did so in cattle trucks. That they might catch a chill was probably of little concern given they were soon to catch something far worse.. Apropos the rather more cherished beasts that got to travel in crates, I have been unable to discover if there was such a thing as a Standard GWR Pig Crate, though I suspect there was
  8. Early, would be, antecedents of the Tamworth Two perhaps?
  9. I recently did an analysis of the traffic arising from the 1925 Wilts Agricultural Show at Warminster and there were a few instances of pigs being transported. In all cases the animals were in crates loaded onto cattle wagons, in many cases in the company of cattle – as the prize animals were usually carried in 'Beetles', these presumably were the runners up.
  10. The origins of the Labour Party have more to do with non-conformist religion than with Marxism.
  11. Back to the Taffy for a moment, and a totally irrelevant aside. The painting was one of series of "pier-head" paintings of local ships done by Patrick Kearney in the 1950s. A long way from his usual style but I can't remember if he said they were copies or pastiches. http://www.patrickkearney.co.uk/artist.html. The house he lived in, still occupied by his younger daughter, was named 'Umtata' after one of the ships of the Bullard & King line which sailed between London and Durban often captained by Master Mariners from Cley. So the tradition lived on.
  12. Here is one of the Birmingham hired wagons at Acton though the star is unfortunately obscured by that box of gubbins...
  13. Ah yes, The SS Taffy, probably the only steamship to trade at Blakeney (and that because it was owned by Page & Turner, Blakeney merchants) though there were a couple of steam tugs, believe it or not.
  14. The ships trading to the bigger cities – especially London – would have been commensurately larger than those threading their way up narrow creeks. 250-300 tons is quite likely the size of the ships going to the Smoke.
  15. I'm not convinced, Stephen. One of the other problems was that ships were getting bigger while the creeks were getting smaller through silting. Trade in and out of the Glaven ports, like all the other creeks along this coast, had ceased by 1914, though Wells carried on into the late C20. The Blakeney Harbour Co records might throw some moe light on this but they're in the local History Centre. I do have a key but I've no idea where they are kept!
  16. The Port Books for the Glaven Ports (Blakeney and Cley) – a passable analogue for Wolfringham – only go up to 1780 but they do give an idea of the tonnages of coal brought into these creeks. Average loads were between 20 and 40 chalders, occasionally as much as 90. A typical example was the 80 ton sloop Wallington, Thomas Hooke Master, which arrived from Newcastle on 15 June 1770 with 28 chalders of coal. A Newcastle chalder was 53cwt so the load was 68.9 tons (TNA ref E190/575/4). The weight given for ship was of course volumetric as they had no way of measuring deadweight and calculated by a formula (which changed subtly over the years) which was explained in a letter to the local Customs House in the 1720s (TNA ref: CUST96/152): "length from the....of the main post to the outer part of the stern, and the breadth from outside to outside then take of 3/5ths of the breadth from the length for the rake before and that giving the main length of the keel..., multiply the breadth by the length and the half breadth for the depth and the product of that divide by 94 to give tonnage. eg 72’ long, 20’ wide. Take off 3/5th breadth gives length 60’ x 20’ x 10’ = 127 62/94 tons" 94 Most of the ships (brigs, schooners, and sloops) owned and registered in the Glaven Ports, even in the C19, were around the 100 ton mark. In June 1770 26 ships brought in 1380 tons of coal – the summer months were busier than winter for weather related reasons. By the late C19 these tonnages were probably reduced by competition from the railways.
  17. Yes Ian I did mention Fakenham deliberately. I have even visited it, but not searched for any records. I do know the coal was brought from the railway station (GER presumably) by horse and cart. Thanks for the link.
  18. How often did the ship arrive at Kingswear? It's something I need to look into. Torquay Gas did not have their own wagons as they would have stood idle, possibly incurring siding rent, between ships. Renwick Wilton had the contract for many years pre-WW2.
  19. When researching the PO Wagons of Somerset I tried to do an analysis of coal use at gas works: Cheddar with a population of under 2000 used £188 of coal in 1909 – at an average price of 15/- a ton that works out at about 250 tons, or one wagon load per fortnight. On the other hand, Clevedon, which pre-WW1 was a town of over 6000 people, used about 6000 tons of coal a year equivalent to two wagon loads per day averaged over the year. Presumably it had far more lights – how else to explain the discrepancy? Remember that the use of gas for domestic heating and cooking really took off post-war. The Clevedon Gas Co had several wagons of its own, despite which deliveries were also made in Lowell Baldwin wagons. I wonder how much coal they used at Fakenham? The Achingham matings would, I hope, have used anthracite from south west Wales because of its low arsenic content if for no other reason. The big question is, did the anthracite go by water or by rail? Assume the latter and you get the opportunity to run one of those wagons with half a trade directory written on the sides!
  20. I understand he is working on a Bucks/Berks/Oxon volume with Western Star. Hope I'm not speaking out of turn...
  21. There were a few paper mills in Wiltshire – indeed there still is one at least – Dowdings of Slaughterford being the only one to own wagons. But they made paper from rags for bag making and had no use for china clay. Yup, they're in PO Wagons of Wiltshire... I don't know if Avon Rubber of Melksham used the stuff. It would have been in relatively small quantities if so. Likewise for medicines.
  22. A couple of the larger paper manufacturers even bought their own china clay pits to ensure their supply. As far as i know the supplies for the ceramics industry in Stoke went by sea to Liverpool and then by canal. I doubt the Birmingham wagons ever strayed from Cornwall Minerals line. I suspect PO wagons of Devon and Cornwall will be my next book – if I live long enough!
  23. Not unless it was seriously lost! But if you're that way inclined Len Tavender published a drawing of one of the coal wagons hired around the same period which he published, together with an outline list of the hirings, in his 'Coal Trade Wagons' which has been mentioned once or twice in this thread... The wagon shown had been converted from dumb buffers in December 1903 and was in GWR use from July 1906 to May 1915. It replaced one of the coke wagons...
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