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14 hours ago, phil-b259 said:
Have you ever considered that the child might be on the platform as the train runs in, the steward is elsewhere / distracted (or not present as the ORR repeatably discovered when they visited the Jacobite operation last year) or your garden gate bolt not been done up because the Steward forgot and someone flings the door open so they can be first off to get a pic of the loco...
Stop being selfish and consider others - not everyone (or everyones children) is / are as perfect as you think yourself / yours to be...
If WCRC are not providing stewards when they ought to do so, then they don’t have a leg to stand on, and I would accept that as a reason to take action against them. But not against all operators of such doors.
I don’t think I’m being selfish to ask whether £10 per ticket is a reasonable price to pay for a tiny reduction in risk. I can afford it, but the Jacobite is already quite expensive and there are many who I will be put off by the price. Even worse, if the end result is the end of Mk 1s on the mainline, then I probably won’t be paying the fare in the first place.
Andy
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13 hours ago, AY Mod said:
In each instance who would get sued if things went wrong?
It sounds like you'd be happy to get a discount from someone who cuts corners. Your car service? Your dentist or optician?
Andy,
I appreciate that ‘shades of grey’ are difficult in a legal process. I was trying to make the case that the public at large make (probably sub-conscious) risk assessments with a very different weight put on the risk of an accident than safety professionals. And, as a liberal at heart, I would like to see the state allow more personal responsibility rather than less. And any laws should be in line with how society views risks rather than dictated by those who I would regard as safety zealots.
As for getting discounts from someone who cuts corners, it depends on your definition of cutting corners. I wouldn’t go to someone who was clearly unsafe. But a discount from someone who doesn’t ‘gold plate’ the solution then definitely. For example, I use the local garage for my service, rather than paying extra for a Jaguar service.
RegardsAndy
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5 hours ago, rodent279 said:
and dozens of injuries, during the first 10 or so years, up to about 1994, from when the majority of pasenger trains started to have some flavour of power operated doors, or manual doors under the control of CDL.
So very few since manual bolts were put on the doors?
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1 hour ago, Northmoor said:
Growing up in West Wales, I don't recall ever reading/hearing about anyone being hit by a train door or falling out of one. Are you suggesting the regulations on slam door stock didn't need to be applied there, only in the locations/routes where there had been serious injuries or fatalities?
No, but there might be a common sense approach which applied different rules depending on speed and traffic density.
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7 hours ago, david.hill64 said:
There are many readers of the Daily Telegraph who agree with you.
If it was your child, killed while standing on a platform and hit by the uncontrolled opening of a hinged door, would you consider the £10 a useless safety initiative?
As they say with financial investments, history is no guarantee to future performance. Same with safety: we no longer think just about preventing what has happened in the past, but what is reasonably foreseeable. What ORR is doing is entirely in keeping with UK safety law.
How would my child be hit, if there is a steward by the door and a bolt across it? Yes I know that someone once overpowered a steward, but the risk is minuscule and the cost not so. My child is in far more risk crossing the road.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a reader of the Torygraph!
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This thread seems to have come down firmly on the side of the ORR. To my mind we have a classic David v Goliath situation, with the ORR being an arrogant, overbearing, undemocratic beaureacracy which is completely out of touch with how ordinary people assess risks (for example look at the different attitudes to working on ladders at home and at work). WCRC have clearly made some mistakes but thank goodness that some organisations are prepared to put their neck on the line and stand up against unnecessary expenditure and state sponsored bullying. I for one, don’t want to travel in mark 2s or spend an extra £10 for a useless safety initiative.
I apologise if I’ve missed it in the 70 odd pages on here, but how many people have been injured in the 40 years of running steam on the West Highland?
Andy
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I deliberately bought mine without sound because, while I think the sound project is great, I wasn’t convinced by the speaker set up which sounds tinny to me.
So I’ve bought a Zimo MS950 from youchoos and one of their dual sugar strand speakers. I haven’t fitted it yet but it just plugs in. The difficult thing is getting the body apart but Ellis’ instructions are clear.
I’ll report back once fitted.
Andy
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8 hours ago, Tony Wright said:
Good morning Andy,
Could you make-out all the dialogue?
That was the weak point for us. Looking at all the buttons on the TV's remote, which one turns on the subtitles?
Regards,
Tony.
I saw it at the cinema last summer. Sound was excellent there.
I’m out in Vietnam at the moment (chasing Alco diesels) and the friend I came with watched it on the plane coming out. He struggled to follow it on a small screen and plane headphones, so you’re not alone.
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Maybe I’m easily pleased, but I found Oppenheimer very interesting and well worth watching. I didn’t know much about the history, certainly not his left wing sympathies, so it filled in some gaps in my knowledge.
Andy
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I’ve got a quiet couple of hours, so one photo from before I left. This is my attempt to back date the station building in a similar way to the signalbox.
I’m trying to recreate this look (Irishswissernie to the rescue again - thanks).
In terms of a ‘spot the difference’ competition, I can see that I need to remove the station name, add an advertising board and add the toilet walls. The bit I’m struggling on is the colour of the chimney stacks which are rather nondescript in all the photos I can see.
Does anyone have any ideas on the chimney stacks or any other things I’ve missed?
Andy
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Superb Rob. Now just needs that F5 to fot on it!
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5 hours ago, Tony Teague said:
Those trains look like they bought them from NSE !
I hope they have retention toilets..................😝
Tony
The coaches, yes. The locos are Czech built and they obviously had to pay extra for styling! They sound similar to the Czech 751 ‘Grumpys’ if anyone is familiar with them.
Surprisingly, they do have retention tank toilets!
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7 hours ago, BoD said:
Interesting video, Andy.
Is that the line where there are market stalls alongside too? The line seems totally blocked but when a train is due goods are pulled back and canopies folded in.
That’s the one. There are very few trains during the day and none in the rush hour because of all the level crossings, so for large parts of the day the track gets buried. But there are three trains between 2115 and 2205, so that’s the time to take a seat for the spectacle.
For the first video I tried I was standing next to the line with a guy shouting at me to sit down. When the train came I took a rapid step back - it’s b….y close and big!
Andy
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I couldn’t resist one more image from my Vietnam trip. This is of Hanoi’s northern ‘train street’. All the trains from Hanoi’s main station pass through a narrow street on their way out of town - there’s one to the south and another to the north. This has become a tourist attraction with bars lining the street and everyone jostling to get the best video of the train passing. It’s truly a bizarre scenario with parties on the track just before the train is due. We tried videoing it at ground level first but you’re just too close, so tonight we chose an upstairs beer balcony.
This video shows the train coming through. I assure you this really happens, several times a day and seemingly with no accidents.
The ORR will be pleased to hear that the trains all have central door locking….so that’s OK!Andy
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Great video. What’s the latest on whether this is going to work this summer?
Andy
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Thanks Rob,A lovely vid, I don’t think I’d see that one before. It’s a shame the quality is poor, otherwise the photos of Glenfinnan would be very useful for sorting out details.
I’m away in Vietnam chasing Alco diesels, so don’t expect any progress on Glenfinnan for a couple of weeks.
Andy
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3 hours ago, MJI said:
Transfers
Got a bit of a problem, want to make up loads on TOPS panels, but cannot find the base transfers.
Over 50 wagons to be done.
Also one job i can't get railtec to do.
TOPS wagon panels pool version, letters for the codes, pool numbers.
Used to be SMS.
Anything like this anywhere?
Why not Railtec? I recently used the 7mm version of these for some Alumina wagons. They were very good.
https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=4886
Might be a bit expensive for 50 wagons, but he does do them in sets of 4.
You have to specify the numbers/ TOPS codes etc. but as always Steve is very good at asking for what he needs.
Andy
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Tony,
Regarding the price/ value of kits, I think you’re comparing the price of new RTR locos with second hand kits. Surely a fairer comparison would be the price of a second hand RTR loco which is typically quite a bit lower - £100-£150 for a modern tender loco. Less than £100 for an older tender loco like a Bachmann A1.
I think the price obtainable for working well built second hand kits is very comparable or better than those prices.
Andy
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2 hours ago, Anthony said:
Gilbert - the first image is stunning, and gives a wonderful impression of the scope of the layout.
The only drawback is that it makes me incredibly jealous - but I will cope somehow.
Anthony
I agree. That is my favourite viewpoint on PN.
Andy
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Rob,
I believe that the central section of the snow ploughs was removed in summer (or supposed to be!). Would that make it more practical with tension locks?
Andy
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14 hours ago, great northern said:
Fish and V2 on high. This should make Andy The Green Howards rather happy. I suppose the only better thing might be a V2 hauling a fish train.
I agree. I do that myself!
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I do like a fish train!
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15 hours ago, great northern said:
Always try not to be too black and white. There is a duty of care owed by an employer, but also a duty to take care on the part of an employee. How many times was over confidence and/or over familiarity involved? Quite a lot, I suspect. The "men were men" in the caption above and "only themselves to blame" is totally inappropriate, because there shouldn't be so many hazards, but that doesn't mean they should be ignored by those who encountered them.
I have just acquired a car which has all sorts of helpful functions. It will automatically make a severe brake application when it senses an emergency, or warn me if I drift out of my lane, and if I take no notice it will steer the car back to where it thinks it should be. There follows paragraph after paragraph in the manual giving circumstances where either a warning may not be given, or may be false. Why? My lawyer hat tells me that is to avoid liability wherever possible, but it is also to cater for numbskulls who will think that the car will do everything for them, so they can just drive like idiots.
Your lawyer hat is trying to justify your career! The numbskulls won’t read that c..p. It is purely to cover the car manufacturer’s ar.e in the event of a claim by a numbskull.
In answer to the points up the page about how much risk would I like to expose my children to (or words to that effect). My answer is a bit more than they did get exposed to. They have been so mollycoddled that they haven’t learnt to assess risk for themselves. I think that’s more dangerous ( but the lawyers are still happy!). I accept things had to change, but now we can’t even be trusted to know not to open a door when the train is moving!
Rant over!
Andy
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I like the snowplough idea. I’ll be interested to hear whether it works.
Churminster & Stowe Magna, Southern Railway
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Wow, that is quite a change from what I saw just a few weeks ago.
Andy