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  1. 56 minutes ago, woko said:


    Looking great Andy, certainly making a cracking job of this sir fantastic stuff! 

    Do you want me to see if i have a spare filler cap for the on the left? i may well do as i printed a few of these fiddly out!

    I didn’t know I was missing one! But if I am then yes please. I only seemed to have one vac pipe. Is that correct?


  2. Away from the quads, I’ve been making progress on the J69. I’ve now added all the detail although some of it broke in my clumsy hands and needed glueing back together. I went for brass for the handrails rather than the 3D printed ones.


    Here she is ready for final priming. The white is where I had to fill the deeper diagonal lines.




    And here she is ready for the top coat.






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  3. 3 hours ago, John Tomlinson said:

    Just a thought, Railtec advertise a bespoke transfer service and seem to have a good reputation.


    I've never had any dealings with them, nor as yet used their products, but if they had a "1" and "3" as references it might not be too difficult.



    Good idea John,


    I thought Railtec were mainly modern image but might be worth trying. I’ll see if I have any joy on the O gauge guild forum first.



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  4. Just now, jwealleans said:

    That 2 sticks out like a sore thumb.  Be a shame to spoil the job for that.


    I'd ask on here.   I've done that in the past when i've run out of Es for BR era numbering and I've had them donated from as far away as Australia.   No-one will use the 2s on their sheets unless they're doing as you do or modelling the Harwich Boat Train, so it's worth a punt.


    In 4mm I could have sorted you out myself, except that I have a Quad to build at some time.....

    Thanks, I’ll try the Gauge 0 guild forum. Probably more chance of success there!

  5. Back to the quad arts. I’ve been teaking and ‘decalling’ the sides for the second four vehicles. This is the progress to date.



    I’m pleased with the way the teak has come out but I have hit a couple of snags.  The first is that I’ve run out of 1s and 3s for the doors. That is easily rectified.

    However the other problem is more difficult. As built, the quad arts were unusual in having second class as well as first and third. So for this second set, the two shorter coaches were second class with the other two being 1st/ 3rd composites. The trouble is that I can’t find any ‘2’ transfers for the doors. Fox don’t do them and told me it wasn’t worth their while doing a special order. HMRS pressfix have six ‘2’s on one sheet but I need 24, so that would work out prohibitively expensive at over £20 per sheet in 7mm!


    The closest match I can find is using 4mm loco numbers as shown in the picture above 6th side down). I’ve put this on the wrong coach to illustrate the idea as I didn’t want to muck up the finish on the right coach in case I have to leave them blank. 

    I’d be grateful for people’s thoughts on whether this ‘2’ would pass muster at normal viewing distances and whether there are any other sources of ‘2’s I could consider.





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  6. 3 hours ago, brightspark said:

    Another layout with point rodding is D.A. Williams Metropolitan Junction. 






    Note that the rodding is NOT cosmetic, it actually operates the points and signals.


    I took these very hasty snaps on Thursday when Richard had set the layout up for a running session.



    I’ve also been building a layout with working point rodding. This is the new, as yet nameless, O gauge layout of the East Surrey MRC which is based on a ‘Minories’ type track plan. 



    The cranks are from DCC concepts, the stools are 3D printed by club member @woko, it’s 0.7mm wire and the levers are Gem which will be situated in the base of the signal box. 

    A video of it working is here.



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  7. My latest project is an O gauge J69. I didn’t know that I wanted one of these, but fellow club member, Rob (@Woko) decided to 3D print a body and was asking me about chassis options. I suggested following the example in 00 gauge if putting a 3D printed J69 body on a terrier chassis as the wheelbase and diameter is more or less identical. My hand then ‘slipped’ on ebay and I ended up with a O gauge Dapol Terrier for £155 which was a bit of a bargain!


    I loaned Rob the chassis to help him sort out the print to fit. In return for the suggestion and loan of my chassis, Rob very kindly printed me a body which I started on today. Here is the box of bits.




    I gave the body a sand down and then Halfords grey followed by filler primer. There were some diagonal lines after the grey primer but they seem to have reduced after the filler primer and I’m confident that after a sand down tomorrow it will be pretty smooth. Then I have the job of trying to work out where all the bits fit on!



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  8. 7 hours ago, woko said:

    Ok finally I have had a go at trying to print some of these coaches in 7mm its a first attempt, and I need some cleaning up to do, and had a wee bit of warping on this so a few more supports on the next print run should hopefully fix this, along with some extra detailing inside, looking at working up the seats, and adding luggage shelfs above the seats. The roof is currently placed on so will need to be fixed down at some point. Oh and I managed to drop this which was not the best thing I have ever done, so a few bits on the underframe sadly flew off never to be seen again!!



    But looking forward to trying out some of the infamous Mike Trice Teaking effects which look fantastic so if I can get half as good as Mike gets his coaches then I will be a very happy chappy indeed. 



    They look great Rob. I didn’t pay enough attention to the one you brought along last night as I was stressing about why my stock was misbehaving! But it’s a great start if what I hope will be many 7mm prints. Can’t wait for the GNR ones to give my C12 something prototypical to haul.

  9. On 23/08/2021 at 20:06, 03060 said:

    I don't think that this has been mentioned in this thread before but I've just watched 24 mins and 10 secs of quality 1983/4 Mallaig line footage that I've never seen before via You-Tube entitled Weir's Way: Forty Miles to Sky.




    At least 4 different locos appear as the film crew follow the Mallaig service (over several days) which also features the two saloons Loch Eil and Lochaber throughout.


    Also available via STV player I know of at least one other episode which features the WHL at Crianlarich and suspect that there are others in the 45 episode series with railway footage. Being a DVD man myself I'll now have to check for availabilty ....but what a film ! (IMHO)





    (12 disc collection subsequently ordered for £20 inc P+P)  :yahoo_mini:


    I’ve now managed to find time to watch the video. Superb stuff as others have said. Those observation cars look the business…I’m going to have to model at least one!  The rest of the train formation seems to be 2*TSO, 1*BSO and 1 * BSOT.  Interesting that there was no First Class. Other trains I have seen from this era seem to convey 1st so I’m wondering whether the observation cars were regard as 1st. Does anyone know?

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  10. Andy,


    I’ve just finished reading through your thread. It’s all inspiring stuff, so thanks for posting. 

    As I’ve explained on Rob’s thread, I am currently a OO modeller of 1950s ER steam and diesel but I’m starting up in 0 gauge and am basing my 0 gauge layout on Glenfinnan. I’m starting in the 1980s as that is the era in which I fell in love with the line spending far too much of my university days in Scotland (which considering I was at Southampton uni was a long journey!) My idea is that it will be eventually be a ‘through the ages’ type of layout with trains from the 1930s until the day before sprinterisation as I don’t think much changed on the line over this period.

    As such your thread is very useful for me in filling in prototype details from my rusty memory.

    Like others have commented I don’t remember the observation saloons despite a lot of journeys in that period. Do we know which trains they worked? As for modelling them, they look similar in basic outline to the steel/ ply 1930s LNER tourist stock. So I would be tempted to use Ian Kirk kits and cut and shut them to suit. The kits are no longer available but often appear on ebay. I will try this in O gauge where, luckily, Ian’s kits are still available. Does anyone know of a coach drawing for either of these vehicles?


    You also mention class 20s working on FTW-MLG services. This is something I never experienced  on the WHL (apart from 20045 paired with 37051 on the sleeper) but there are plenty of photos around. Do we know how frequently this happened and which service it tended to be on?




    (another) Andy

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  11. I hesitate to re-enter the fray on the old motor / gearbox debate but everyone else is so why not!


    My own feeling is that the motor gearbox is the easy bit of getting a sweet running chassis. It’s all the setting up of the chassis, coupling rods, pick ups and valve gear which seems to create problems. I’ve built many kits over the years and none of the kit built chassis run as well as a modern RTR loco to my intense frustration. They are just about good enough to use but not as sweet and smooth as I would like. I know it can be done as Tony shows week in week out, but I think that needs a lot of experience and/ or skill which I’m still learning. It  is not a problem with the motor gearbox where I’ve tried DJH ready made boxes as well as many alternatives such as high level. That bit always seems to work fine. so I’m reluctant to spend the money on a new DJH box when I know that is the easy bit and I may waste it all on the difficult bits to come.

    For me, if I can find a RTR chassis which is close enough, I’ll always use that rather than try to make my own. Then I can enjoy building the body sure in the knowledge that it will work. I know that some might regard that as ‘cheating’ but surely it’s only one step on from using a ‘RTR’ motor gearbox?! I’d also say that it’s generally cheaper than buying a chassis, wheels and motor to kit build a chassis, especially if you can sell the body on ebay.


    Sorry to lower the tone!





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  12. 2 hours ago, young37215 said:


    The first post on page 14 of the thread explains how and why the coaching stock fleet is formed as it is including the sources of information that underpinned my selections. If I was starting over I would have one or two less SK's with TSO's in their place but otherwise I think I have a fair reflection of the coaches seen on the WHL in the early 80's. 


    Thanks Rob,  That was so far back in my read through that I’d obviously forgotten about it! I did follow the links at the time which were well worth a read.


    I look forward to the ‘Earth Mover’ video.



  13. 10 hours ago, Big And said:



    After an great weekend at the Folkstone MRC exhibition I just wanted to say a few thank yous.  


    Thank you to Folkstone MRC for inviting us to a good show.  


    Our operators Peter, Andy and Franz from East Surrey MRC, Lawrence and Phil from Bexhill MRC as well as emergency stand in operators Alex and Andrew from Beckenham MRC and Ken from Tonbridge MRC all did great work keeping the trains flowing and bringing the exhibit to life.  Very much appreciate all of your time.  


    And thank you also to all of the people that we met over the weekend with whom we enjoyed talking about the layout and the stock.  


    finally, for Andy S - we do promise there will be at least one class 37 next time out!


    Here are some photos from the weekend, and as usual I seem to have not photographed any of the passenger trains. 


    Andy and Paul






    Great pictures and thanks for inviting me to operate. I’ll hold you to that 37 promise!

  14. Another, rather different, question if I may. Can I ask you to elaborate on your coach formations?

    I note that the CWNs of the period show fairly similar formations of, typically BFK, TSOs and either a RMB or BSO(T). Whereas photos and your formations suggest rather more variety with BSK, SK and CKs also featuring and the BFK sometimes bring a mk2. Could you give a description of the different formations you use and, if possible, suggest any other sources of data on this?


    Many thanks



  15. Hi Rob,


    Thanks for your thoughts on sound projects. I agree that the speaker is critical, but hopefully that will not be such an issue for me in O gauge.

    With regards to the recordings on the chip, I feel that with 37s (more than most other classes) there is a huge difference between one driven conservatively and one driven with typical West Highland thrash. The sound file I have on my sole 00 example is in the former camp and rather disappointing to my ears, so I’m looking for a proper thrash example with wheel slip. I’m more or less decided on the legomanbiffo project.



  16. The rain on Saturday gave me a perfect excuse to stay in and paint. So I managed to get the second quad art to what I call the ‘measles’ stage. It will hopefully get the overall teak wash later today. I also did my OO gauge GNT BCK at the same time.



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  17. I’ve now completed the circuit …just in time for winter!


    I’m pleased to report that the board clips (as in my 1st Sep post) conduct electricity very well. The voltage drop off from one side of the circuit to the other was from 12.04V to 12.01V which over c.20yards of track is pretty good. That was without doing up the rail joiners between boards but I will use them to improve running.


    Here is a video of my latest ‘toy’, a Heljan class 37 doing the complete circuit. The loco will be painted blue to match the coaches in due course - I could only find a green one left to buy!



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  18. Next up was more a comment than a question.

    I note you were having problems with the power inrush on starting up. I have not experienced this with my NCE PowerCab (on my 00 layout) but I have had power drops such that certain locos or accessories don’t work properly. I solved this by adding a Tam Valley 5A booster but as I’m currently starting in O gauge I am quite worried about power requirements. So I bought one of the DCC Concepts Alpha Meters. I have found this very useful in understanding power requirements. On my OO layout I note the amp draw on startup is about 1.5 Amps dropping to about 1 Amp after a couple of minutes but with no trains running. I can isolate power districts in turn to understand which have the biggest power draw.


    The Alpha Meter won’t solve any problems but it does allow accurate diagnosis and in this game, I think that ‘knowledge is power’, so it might be worth investing in one if you’re still having any problems. As with many DCC Concepts products, they’re  not cheap, but it is a nice piece of kit. No connection…just a satisfied customer.







  19. First question is about DCC sound for your 37s. You described the speaker and sound file arrangements for your 20s in some detail but not for the 37s….unless I missed it. it would be helpful to know whose sound projects you use in your 37s. A lot of people seem to like the legomanbiffo projects which I’m tempted by but I’m normally a Zimo user so, other things being equal, I’d rather stick with a Zimo supplier. Speaker wise, you seem to rate the EM2 which I could easily fit in in O gauge - could probably manage an EM3. Any others you particularly rate?





  20. Hi Rob,


    I’ve just finished wading my way through the 46 pages of your thread. It’s wonderful stuff and your layout is truly inspiring. It’s more like one of the American system layouts than anything usually seen in this country. Congratulations!


    I have built up a few questions which I largely resisted asking as I went through in case they had already been asked, so I will fire away now if that’s OK.



  21. On 05/10/2020 at 21:03, 37Oban said:

    I try to go back when I can with my daughter, but, even though there are more trains per day now than there were in the 80's Sprinters just don't cut it for me! 


    In my time there I had one memorable trip that wasn't cl37 hauled.  On 25th September 1985 the 37 due to take the 13.00 Oban - Glasgow QS failed (i think it was a fuel problem) so another loco was commandered and the only one available was 27001, which had arrived earlier on a freight.  It was too good a chance to miss so I bought a ticket to Crianlarich.  We had six on and left almost a minute and a half down and made heavy weather of the climbe to Glen Cruiten summit.  Eventually we arrived at Crianlarich 14 and half minutes down on schedule!  When we left Oban it was overcast but this turned to light rain by Crianlarich.  The guard told me that if it rained when we left Oban he would have had to walk in front of the loco spreading sand on the rails to give it any chance of making any progress!  If that had failed they would have had to return to the station to detach three coaches!  He missed the  27's but they were life expired when 37's replaced them and as far as he was concerned it should have happened sooner.




    I’m continuing my tour through this thread and came to the exchange on class 27s on the WHL. My first and only experience of them was later in the week on that same trip in 1983 and it gives me an excuse to show another of my pictures if that trip! We stayed in Oban on the night of 12/8 arriving with 37081, so we were surprised to come out the following morning to be greeted with this sight on the 0740 to Glasgow.



    I seem to remember being a little disappointed at the time as I was (and still am) mainly an EE fan, but I enjoyed the run and I’m really pleased to have experienced it now. 27051 will be the 27 on my layout when Heljan release it.



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