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Should we decide to promote another event, and should I be involved in the organisation, then I shall learn the lesson and engage the services of this forum as well as any others I can think of.

Perhaps if he HAD given it 100% (as most businesses need at start-up) instead of 30% then we wouldn't be in this mess now ?

"Final though on this for now. Whatever the true situation with the Clayton, it might be asked what would have happened to confidence in DJM if the money hadn't been repaid when it was? Would people have started jumping ship then as regards other projects and could the refund therefore have been seen as a necessity whatever "pot" it came from to protect the business?" Roy LS ....exactly so. Having received ,y refund, like you, I assumed it was my own money coming back and not obtained by delving into another "kitty". I must admit though that particular episode dissuaded me from any further "investment" in DJM, preferring to wait until there was something more substantial than vague promises and "maybes"

I have located the email from DJM with regards to the Class 17 saga and should anyone be interested, I will send it to them in a PM rather than clutter up this thread with it. I had no need for either a Class 92 or APT so was not involved in that ...toyed with a "King" but the alarm bells were starting to become quite strident by then

The Class 17 was indeed originally a "pre-order" with no monies submitted, but then became a "cry for help" in the respect that he asked for payment "up front"to enable the project to proceed. However, when the tooling ownership problem arose, he put the Class 17 project on indefinite hold and (so far as I am aware) regunded all those who [paid in advance.....myself included.

Stationmaster's observation with regard to the time and effort involved in starting and developing a business properly is profoundly correct. When my (now ex) wife and I set up a small tea parlour, the hours and effort involved were stupendous. Certainly we had neither time nor funds to take holidays and cruises in such various exotic locations as the Caribbean, South America, South East Asia, Iceland, India, Nepal..........

My tongue WAS firmly in my cheek when I posted that comment !

If he WERE to start a new business in the same line of work then it may even be "third time lucky" ?

There might even be an update on the website by then ....

Perhaps he does indeed have an ad now...but bearing in mind the lead time for publications, I wonder if the ad was booked before his Mayday bout of "hara-kiri" ?

The cynic in me suggests that "not much of note" has been delivered yet anyway

"I expect to be able to give better communications, sales service, after sales service and back up than any of the current manufacturers today." Hmmmmm.....

Was there also another project which was going to produce an N gauge Tamper vehicle, some years ago ?

"Crispy" - a valid point

Thanks....aware of that ...what I meant was that he must surely be aware by now of the repercussions of his statement and clarification, yet does not seem to be doing anything to reassurre his investors that they will receive a return for their investment ?