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21 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said:
There's still folk out there that only want 'Hornby' on the box, and I reduced the count of those that didn't know Hattons had shut down by two, in a conversation yesterday.Different world outside the online hothouse...
I’ll raise you… I had a conversation the other day about Minitrix and Triang, someone thinking they were still Uk market leaders
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24 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said:
@McC is more than a bit special............
This is special…
it even says so in the name…
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On 14/04/2024 at 14:31, adb968008 said:
Just passed some shiny mk2defs at Southall in wcrc livery cdl fitted. (Theres some wrecks here to, but lets not be confused those are in vtec/IC).
as the GBRailtour is somewhere north, and another rake to FTW, it looks like wcrc has a third rake underway.
Ive got ids as 6115.. last seen in 2018, and 9493 last seen on the windermere shuttles in 2018.
The GBR railtour also has some long term hibernating coaches, oldest is 9 years since last seen.
Todays train was 3360 (2015), 1860(2023), 6103(2018), 21266(whl for years), 6022 (2015), 4951(2021), 6000(2018).
as for slipping to a stand, when was the last time something went tender first to Mallaig ?
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9 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said:
Indeed it does.But it needs bigger stuff than this…..Maybe 130 coaches all needing cdl locking, could offer a good deal to wcrc…
Do the door handles, CET toilet tanks, fit air brakes and a repaint all at the same time.
seems like Bombadier/Alstom and WCRC could have some business for each other, and a quick solution to a political jobs problem in an election year.
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9 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:
If that were a realistic proposition the LSL, Belmont, Hastings diesels etc wouldn’t have / are spending lots of money on ‘Mk1’ (the law basically considers anything with a separate bodyshell and underframe to be a ‘Mk1’ regardless of whether it is actually a true Mk1 coach.Fitting of interior door handles and restring droplight openings is also hardly difficult - huge numbers of BR Mk1 based EMUs had just such a setup as a response to restricted clearances on some routes (e.g. East Grinstead line)
Who’s going to be your internal door lock supplier then ?
mk1 emus were binned 20 years ago, unless someone had foresight to buy up hundreds.. theres no supply. Hastings diesels had a head start.. afterall they were surrounded by them, in their own workshop.
so new designs, castings may be required…
Now on that note, I do recall about 10 years ago reading that the casts for the SR EMUs internal door locks overhauled at Swindon were saved, initially in the Swindon works water tower, later moved to the Wroughton hangar, I saw pictures of it at the time, so chances are they still exist in a “raiders of the lost ark” warehouse ending state. This included the door handles, grab handle casts, and the side frame mechanism.
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18 minutes ago, Northmoor said:
How is this rake braked? I thought all air-con Mk2s were air braked only and wasn't aware the Black 5 provided air braking, so presumably the 47 is there to provide brake pressure (but how is it controlled?).
If Riley's Black 5s all have air braking then I have even less sympathy for WCRC than I started today with. CDL fitment is routine on air-braked stock, so WCRC could have used air braked Mark 1s all along, there are plenty of them around. This is, I suspect, why WCRC are stalling on CDL fitment; vacuum braking will become unacceptable on NR before too long so the company doesn't want to commit to the expense on stock that might have to be withdrawn altogether before they have earned the installation cost back. CDL is a red herring.
All 3 of Ian Rileys Black 5’s have air braking, they have done for many years.
And today all three are in use in Scotland… 45407/44871 are to Glasgow, then Inverness tomorrow, whilst 45212 is on the Mallaig.I suspect you may be right on vac braked stock, and hence the cdl hold off…. Because the expense triples… AB mk1’s, AB the steam locos then CDL the stock.
There seems to be a mk1 exemption date running until 2028 too… theres no guarentees that goal post wont shift either to an outright ban of mk1’s no matter what…
Then there is also sealing the droplights and fitting interior doir handles….
it also means any other steam preservation groups 45596, 45305,777,70013,76084 wont be able to go mainline any more either unless a vac braked cdl solution emerges…
I do see a lot of business risk to this… LSL has thrown huge wedges at its dozen coaches.. WCRC I still think may run until the end and just wrap it all up… Carnforths seaside location and proximity to the motorway is a multi million property development just waiting to be scooped up… the scrapping coaches / diesel fleet and clearing the site a huge tax offset to the above…
put it another way.., if I owned that lot and only cared about money.. i’d be binning the lot for a property development too… theres way more potential there than wcrcs company value.
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Starting to sound like a Highland farce rather than a Highland fling.
one operator openly chugging a loss making diesel service at short notice random dates.
another running a half baked, half ecs, half no heat service also probably half empty.
two half baked operations doesn't make a whole one.
Time to Shut both millionaires trainsets down.
I sayget SRPS to finish its rake in WHL green/cream with cdl, get the 26/27’s mainline fitted, with 37025/403 … get gbrf as crews and convince someone to get steam on gbrfs safety case with Rileys black 5’s…. Then SRPS diesels can provide CS sleeper standby support from ftw coupled to a 73/9, thus releasing an all important 66 or 73/9 for other use too and a way of swapping out for maintenance in Edinburgh…
I know I can dream, but it sounds better than this “Who's got the biggest haggis” contest were seeing.
😀
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5 hours ago, Wheatley said:
Further to last, the collective opinion of the Northern Old Gits (standing around gassing while we wait for our laptops to update themselves again) Collective this morning was that any 155s on the Bolton Corridor early on would have been diversions with a route conductor on board. Leeds (we think) and York crews (definitely) didn't sign Bolton at that date, and no drivers on the NW had traction knowledge. Such diversions may not have been uncommon depending on what was going on engineering-wise of course.
Using them for other than York - Bradford - Man Vic - Blackpool services definitely needed the Duty Control Manager's permission.
The doors were problematic at first, at one stage they were all (?) out of traffic awaiting Leyland fixing a problem with microswitches I believe. They were set up on depots which were largely straight and level - once out in the wild on canted platforms the downhill doors didn't close enough to trip the door proving relay, and the uphill doors didn't open enough to untrip it. Or something.
Could they have been Longsight crews ?
155’s were doing Manchester - Cardiffs for a while.
Heres a wypte on a Liverpool turn, it came down miles platting and crossed over infront of the 142..
As mentioned earlier the 158/9’s started on Liverpools too…
here is 158905 doing the same thing.
After the 158’s came I really didnt see many 155’s after in Manchester, Iirc occasionally in the bay platforms nearer to the Bury line side. (The main ones becoming 153’s and wyptes ones went more the Blackburn route).
What I never saw on the lancashire side of the pennines was a class 143, and class 144’s were very very rare.. occasionally Manchester.. and later Lancaster via Settle, though pictures in Preston exist, so it happened on occasions.
interesting memory lane for me this thread.
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2 hours ago, jpendle said:
Possibly because they spent most of their time off the mainlines where track speeds are lower.
Regards,
John P
Pacers were definitely fun on the leyland to Salford via Bolton stretches…. Like a seesaw ride, with added extra bounce, not to add the track joint went through the seats and your spine… they got line speed there ok.
apologies my pics are grainy, I was a skint teenager, s/h camera, out of date film and it took me a decade to afford to process them….why ?
Well my dad gave me the £3 odd for the film, and the £4 odd for processing… but then i’d buy the 75p out of date film and use the rest to travel… as I wasnt supposed to be going beyond Bolton… infact I made Exeter once, Tonbridge another.. central wales was memorable..
all before I was 15… The best part it wasnt until I’d safely graduated, got a job and left home before I shared with him my pictures, by then it was definitely too late to be told off.
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One thing I do recall was initilly 142’s didnt pair with anything but 142’s…. They originally had different gearing and transmission and drivers used to drive them like traditional dmu’s… rev, pause, gear, rev…repeat…
it was only later I seem to recall them pairing with sprinters and just going high revs for torque just like the sprinters.
Mid 80’s ive a few pictures of pairs of pacers, but by 90’s it was a mix of whatever pairings, that persisted until 2020.
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2 hours ago, WCML100 said:
From what I have found in my research, they look pretty identical. Maybe some minor differences that I am not aware of however. I am sure someone can confirm either way…1 hour ago, GordonC said:Did the RLOs not have loose seating rather than a normal 2+1 interior?
funny thing is in Jan 2019, I was in the lounge on the Glasgow sleeper, and for whatever reason my phone accidentally took an image inside…
note circular tables, loose chairs, arranged around the windows.
I was sat by the bulkhead which had a rectangular table.
ive other pictures, but it comes with me drinking a whisky in it, so I wont spoil your night with those.
Flickr has some with portable tables as well as the chairs, and with sofa’s horizontal to the window in the toilet half of the saloon.
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15 minutes ago, Wheatley said:
Yes, they were mostly diagrammed on York - Manchester (and beyond) services via the Calder Valley, they weren't confined to West Yorkshire but they did tend to stick to the core route. For quite a while WYPTE kept tabs and got shirty if they wondered off up towards Scarborough (for example) or Leeds- Sheffield despite York and Leeds crews having traction knowledge.
Later on they could go anywhere and these days they're all based at Hull !
WYPTE also paid for the 144 centre cars but had less say in where they went as their bit had to go where the 2/3 they didn't own went.
Do you where the Bolton lines were heading ? I’m guessing Blackpool from WYorks somewhere ? I only ever went towards Manchester on these.
I saw several at Preston heading to Blackpool but guessing they were via Copy Pit.
We got regular 155’s too for a while, always 2 car though, never seen a 4 car 155.. I guess it occured somewhere.
Bolton
Had a funny turn on one of these once, leaving Bolton, I went to the loo, came out after Farnworth tunnel to see the exterior door was wide open, the track wizzing past. Wandered down found the guard who looked at it, made an understatement comment, pressed the button to shut it and locked it out of use.
Then I woke up one day they were all gone.
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8 hours ago, Wheatley said:
155s - although the RRNE Random Unit Generator* couid have its moments, the 155s were paid for by WYPTE so in the early days rarely worked off their core Calder Valley route unless the train plan had gone completely to hell.
156s - ER policy was that 2nd Gen units were not route cleared unless there was a need to route clear them, so these were quite restricted at first too. They were not cleared between Barnsley and Huddersfield for example, because those were 14x diagrams. Until Traffic Manager Hanton nicked one off a TP service one day to mitigate two consecutive 142 failures, and it rolled up at Penistone. After a brief conversation with Control (who had no idea it was there, Mr Hanton working on the 'forgiveness rather than permission' basis) the driver was instructed to continue to Barnsley, enter Silkstone Common platform at dead slow and report any impacts. After which they were deemed route cleared :-)
*(Completely outclassed by the later Northern Random Unit Generator which ensure that my commute from 2004 onwards was rarely the same type on two consecutive days).
I saw all the wypte ones, on the left side of the penines.
Preston, Bolton, Salford, Victoria..
The 158/9’s started life on Transpennine services to Liverpool until the 3 cars arrived.
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D1015 back on the mainline doing what a western does…
1352 Paddington to Birmingham
hundreds of people out trackside for this…
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Just passed some shiny mk2defs at Southall in wcrc livery cdl fitted. (Theres some wrecks here to, but lets not be confused those are in vtec/IC).
as the GBRailtour is somewhere north, and another rake to FTW, it looks like wcrc has a third rake underway.
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50017 only seemed to run in this livery for a few years (and spent a few parked up at Tyseley).
When it did run it was mostly Northern Belle… and we would need decent coaches to be made in this livery.
You have some quite nice mk2d’s on the IRM site, could these get the BR era treatment ?
https://irishrailwaymodels.com/en-gb/collections/murphy-models-mark-2d-coaches
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Fyi off topic, but this daily ecs is a known 6/8 car 158 working..
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C56113/2024-04-15/detailed
0405d Nottingham to Liverpool 0634a.
Splits at Liverpool to form the 0648 and 0749 services to Norwich.
Theres also a daily Liverpool to Nottingham ecs departs 2153 arrives 0030 but this is just a 2 car.
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13 hours ago, cctransuk said:
Press for every penny they owe you - and go to Trading Standards if they resist!
CJI.
Britannia doesnt rule the waves anymore i’m afraid.
Good luck getting them interested in a Canadian business.
you would do well to get them interested in some British businesses.
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You could pretty much rely on Manchester (or later south manchester area - Hazel Grove, Buxton, Airport etc) to Blackpools being a 4 car unit in the late 1980’s/early 1990’s, down from 6 car class 104’s in the early 1980’s.
This could take form of any combination of 142/150/156 but not really 158’s….
I grew up in Bolton, a day in the early 90’s would typically offer…
Barrow .. 156’s long distance to Anglia, also 31 / 37 and lhcs
Blackpool .. pairs of units, 31/37 in peaks
Blackpool-Harwich was an exception, and could produce a 4 car 156.
Blackburn.. pacer/150
Southport .. 155 occured several times, but 142/150 (also 31/37 peaks)
Kirkby .. 1st gen dmu (often a mongrel hybrid.. 101/104/108/119)
Glasgow .. 47/lhcs mk2def
non passenger
Westhoughton metal box.. 37/9
Parcels. (GUS Bolton) .. 31/47 .. 08 stationed at Bolton.
Binliner.. class 60
steel coils .. class 37
turn the clock back a few years add in 24/5/40… D200 was a railtour regular, and who can forget the special k stock.
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36 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:
If you mean securing all* doors with a railway staff issue carriage key then this would not be permissible because passengers would have no way of deactivating the locks in an emergency. CDL (and more modern systems) always have an emergency override facility inside and outside the carriage which allows the locking system to be disabled and the door opened.
*Its perfectly acceptable to lock some doors out of use at the planning stage (charter operators usually lock the middle doors on Mk1 stock out of use) - but I expect the exact number would depend on the outcome of a risk assessment (which would consider whether the locked door at the end of one carriage was right next door to a unlocked door in the next carriage for example.
The one I see is the buffet…
if its not got anyone assigned seating, but yet passengers can stil enter to buy stuff, and presumably sit in its limited seats… can they lock all doors out of use ?
this is the coach in question, and I know first hand that an rmb has six doors that passengers can use..
The centre door is a small corridor between the buffet and store room.. the end two are regular doors…
and all 3 on this side are regular doors.
to me this is a regular coach, and althoug wcrc take centre doors out on their tso/fo i’m not sure thats the case on an rmb.its not got any exterior cdl lights on what went north today.
Today…
all urls not mine…
it was also the only one on the revoked exemption list..
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2 hours ago, nightstar.train said:
And for those like me who don't have the full Platform 5 pocket book memorised:
45212 is an LMS black 5
35486 is a Mk1 BSK support coach
6000, 6022 and 6103 are all Mk2F SO in maroon
1860 is a Mk1 RMB in maroon. Has this been CDL fitted, or will they use it with the doors locked OOU?
3360 is a Mk2F FO in Pullman umber and cream.
Interestingly on the now withdrawn exemption list … only 1860 is listed.
The rest are not in the doc, so are either not needing an exemption, or not exempt.
A video online shows cdl on all but 1860 and 35486.
I wonder if the 47 will be a tail gunner on passenger services or if 35486 has some mods ?..
35486 used to be the support coach for 60009/61994, not sure this would go out day in / day out on the train.
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On 09/04/2024 at 09:09, Sir TophamHatt said:
So why not give up the design or sell it to Hornby?
Maybe…. because it would require someone in accounts to realise a cost in a marketing budget several years ago, which may or may not have been written off, still has residual value now, and find a buyer for it…
I’m sure they write bigger POs everyday on spend which is seen as consumed almost immediately.
I could imagine looking for a train tooling in their books is a very low priority, then find which business unit owns it, finding someone who actually understands it, cares to respond on something that doesn't impact them or there department etc…
Waste is a normality in large organisations, especially if its soft budget items that are not core assets.
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7 hours ago, BR Blue said:
Unfortunately, I am in the a shame is it not better camp. Having seen samples at shows I was not expecting much. I was hoping for much better. Very disappointing. It just looks wrong from many angles. I believe the shape of the old Bachmann model is better.
I do personally think the shape of the new Bachmann 47 is the best. The old wasnt bad but the cab angles / profile imo is much better.
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19G shed code, had to look that one up… Trafford Park in LMS days.
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Kader reduces its losses
in Bachmann
Posted · Edited by adb968008
Bachmann are currently in a head to head with classes 08/24/25/31/37/40/44/45/47/55/57/66
which means they hold alone the
03/20/43/46/70/85/90, of which the 46 has to be an obvious one Heljan will pick off eventually.
They also face competition on mk1 suburbans, mk1’s generally, mk2e/f even the humble 16t mineral.
in steam the Manor, Hall, LN, B1, A1, A4 have all faced competition too.
if thats limited, I feel for them when they face a lot of competition !