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I take it youve never been to an Airport, Office, Data Centre, School … Its is no different to cdl… it all leads back to a security office with centralised and individual lock/unlock, comms, alarms, card swipes, emergency break glass etc This isnt new revolutionary tech… cdl on a mk1 is nothing more than a modern office building on wheels… indeed you dont need half of what a modern building has either. it doesnt cost £30k to secure the doors in a shared office… unless your paying for 24/7 security as well. wcrc mk1’s only use 4 doors. Rather than Travis Perkins, maybe WCRC should upgrade to Wickes ?, the catalogs got more in it.

i was using my phone on 3g at a minimum or modem wifi using 802.11g underground later on all the ones listed 24 years+ ago to surf the net… the tech worked…ok it was low tech compared to today, often alt. Pages, mms etc, but it worked underground… I installed it on some of them so I should know… the HKG metro DC used the former BT phone exchange at Sha Tin station in Kowloon… it still had the the dotted “T” logo embossed into the concrete, bad practice stone floors.. 2g worked underground in 1992 for text and phone in Hong Kong’s metro, exited to the same building, some of it bakerlite equipment being ripped out went to the Hong Kong museum. Some of the very first Cisco 6509s were installed here in 2000.. later the backbone of the internet for the next decade worldwide. D Seoul might be the first wifi, as the iphone generation know it, but wireless data existed for many years before, even if loading a text web page crashed if an incoming call came.

Neither do airlines, which is why they sell it. but then here the passengers are too tight to pay for it too.

Belgium, Singapore, Hong Kong, Washington all had this nearly 3 decades ago. Its strange to see why the UK likes to be so backwards and resistant to accept modern technology. I remember 20 years ago the TV screen advertising that was flashing past outside the carriage windows in the tunnels of Hex and thinking the UK had finally come up with something cool in modern media… but it lasted what 6 months ? Inside tunnel advertising using screens seemed quite a cool idea (and captive audience) to me.

Will need to be 24 hours minimum, and in winter… some railtours can be very long endeavours, especially when something breaks.

Or perhaps its a PR stunt, and driver training / refresher work. They might have the coaches there but they are missing the headline act… the steam locos. I did note in the consist two FKs… but they now seem to be FO conversions…which makes not fitting cdl during there refurbishment even more bizarre.

Agreed, but wcrc has over 100 coaches, portioning the paperwork etc could divide the fixed costs quite considerably. That would be an advantage to wcrc over everyone else with a dozen coaches. thing if it is its really a fraction of what wcrc are quoting, it begs the question why fight it, its cheaper just to do it…. But equally why has so few others bothered to do it either, they might have exemptions and made promises to the ORR, but theyve still had 20 years to do it but keep pushing it out.

How are the £30k costs of cdl per coach calculated ? This outdoor gate has had a magnetic doorlock on it for over a decade that I know of.. https://www.securitysafetyproducts.co.uk/security/security-access-control/extra-strong-weatherproof-maglock-for-gates-and-external-doors.php I know the rail industry is full of bloat, ego and waste, but is this a case of the industry exploiting itself, or can it look outside itself for solutions like this, which cost £71 inc vat per door, so £210 per carriage… plus a few LEDs, a power source, emergency break glass and a wire to the brake coach ? I reckon finding suitable industrial use equipment for this shopping list could be sourced for a fraction of the numbers suggested. I know already its more complicated than that, and someone has to have their authority and you can only use suppliers who are mates of mates…. But even then it seems the real world has solutions the rail bubble doesnt… question is why cannot they be used ? Whats the other £29,500 ?

These are the biggest weakness in Bachmanns 47, easily lost. They used to be listed. Probably best to call direct.

Cheap, disposable, available in vast quantities, doesn't need high tech to perform, works in wide variety of poor conditions, easy to fix in poor conditions, standardised.

Theyve got one of there own… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76 its live here

Wow…. Yipes. i’m glad I stick with DC. ive only got 1, paid £200 for it, dc ready. Felt like it as a “new release” premium. its certainly not competing on better price or higher quality, and arrived a long way behind the Bachmann one. So its missed all 3 of the typical measures of success.

Just an observation, but last week when I first saw this, I was in Poland and saw an ebay intl site. i saw literally dozens of sellers offering hundreds of these. Back in the UK i see less than 10 models offered with only a few choices by just 2 sellers. Checking my Polish server tonight, they are all still out there so I guess they are staying off the UK. I am additionally seeing another Dapol O gauge listing tonight that I hadnt noticed before. fyi when it comes to fakes, off the back of a lorry or anything ritually abnormally bizarre, Poland leaves us in the dust, anything goes there, especially further east you go.

If you dont like the answer dont make the statement. its very obvious theres an anti wcrc rhetoric in here. i dont care either way. but to ignore the fact they are entitled to defence is to prepare for failure. you made a statement claiming they needed some good arguments, it took me two minutes… i’m sure it will take them way less, and a good lawyer will wrap it in a bowtie, so why offer such a gift as a dog old statistic ? The ORR already shot its bow indicating the incidents in Mallaig, and (york ?) which are pointed and relevant and much harder to ignore, and very recent. I cannot even think of a cdl failure incident they could counter with, and how many trains a day now run with cdl…thats compelling. What WCRC needs is something better than CDL, and have ORR rule against it… but I cant think of that one. To go with a specific exemption for WHL only, at 25mph might be a harder one to argue against… as that with door bolts and stewards would be stronger than what heritage railways today offer, many with a greater service frequency than the WHL and the risks of volunteers vs professional staff.

Nearly every train was slam door, bar some commuter EmUs none had any form of door lock. none had any stewards. How many have fallen to their deaths in the last 5 years to 2019 which is much more relevent ? Old numbers mean nothing unless your proposing to go back to those standards. why not dig up numbers from. 1829 when trains had no roof and no door latch either? remember a judge has to be neutral.

Bulldog clips, two pieces of straight metal. wash it in warm to hot water, it will start to be a bit more pliable. then clamp the plastic inbetween the two pieces of metal to get the flat back in it. leave overnight and see how it goes. you may need to repeat more than once.

Interested in a garden office myself, though that website is dog slow. How are you getting it installed, base etc ?

That letter cost a few quid to write.

Relations between the ORR and wcrc arent good unless youve noticed, The easy one to resolve this would be in the renegotiation of the Jacobite access contract to indicate all the requirements expected in order to approve it… ie 1. Cdl fitting 2. Sealed windows 3. cet 4. internal door handles no compliance no approval to run. (The contract today does specifiy mk1/mk2, 37, B1, K1, 8f and 5MT, and CET requirement), so other clauses could be added… tbh what maybe worthwhile is the ORR to publish its overall intentions inrelation to mk1’s for the next few years, so an operator could opt to do full compliance now, rather than piece meal upgrades every year. Then wcrc puts its pitchforks away and goes ahead with certainty in knowing what it needs to do, beyond cdl and hence invest/plan accordingly. if the ORR insist on sliding doors in 4 years.. we’ll be here all over again. If the contract is up in 6 months, common sense suggests they should be discussing this in parallel to this current dispute, waiting until October would seem a bit late in the day, especially as LSL look to be interested, it does feel that money talks and LSL and ORR are becoming quite cosy…

That would make sense to me, some clarity on whats the future for mk1’s 5 years out would make sense too. spending a fortune now and finding mk1’s banned in a few years makes no sense either.

Photos can help.. no7 1960’s Oswestry (b4 1966). https://flic.kr/p/6ii1qf no7 in 1977 swindon https://flic.kr/p/dPW3F3 Oil conversion here ? No8 in 1961 swindon https://flic.kr/p/2ofkaMC no 9 Swindon in 1954 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Swindon_12_Works_Vale_of_Rheidol_narrow-gauge_2-6-2T_in_'A'_Shop_geograph-2578842-by-Ben-Brooksbank.jpg no9 again in 1976 and 1977 swindon (looks to have been several months). http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc/6th-july-2020 https://flic.kr/p/2nXTMo1 Unknown, 1962 https://flic.kr/p/2ngd6HF

I’m still a little puzzled… Neither loco has been made after 4 years, 7 years after announcement. Why pick these two off the shelf to copy, when far more exciting ones exist ? say Running off some extra 68’s on the end of the current batch due soon would be much easier to hide and shuffle out the back door, whilst the rest went out of the front.. and anyone on the inside would know a 68 has more success as they've made oodles of them… weve seen some suggestion that happened a few years ago with someone else. But the two selected havent been made for years, which may have relevance to the story. I can certainly think of at least two alternative explanations that would see these in the wild, that differ from the “moonlighting staff” narrative. For example, I have heard anecdotally that a Chinese manufacturer can consider a tooling to be abandoned in some circumstances. We also have no clue as to the contractual arrangements, theres always possibility of a disagreement. Theres also another very recent rtr tooling which imo is a copy with minor tweaks of an existing. Speculating on dodgy staff is a bit sterotypical. I doubt we will ever know the story on this unless some action is taken by the factory/Dapol. that said.. it doesnt change that they are out there in a Dapol / Murphys box when they shouldn't be.

The point missed about the serial numbers, my bad.. Was applying them here, at the warehouse, before going to retailers, not there at the factory. The factory could try copying them, but it would be much more delibrate as they’d need to have one sent there from here to replicate.. something for a model railway item is a bit extreme, A bit like limited edition certificates are added here.

Still in undercoat. its at Tonbridge this weekend, maybe a trip to Eastleigh cometh ? this maybe worth a watch on Monday, its a regular path 0Y68 with a VAR for monday LE to Eastleigh https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H32609/2024-04-08/detailed admittedly it could be anything, as its a regular path. theres an 0Z69 (clue there) on monday shuffling around Eastleigh yard https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:R09094/2024-04-08/detailed

I wouldnt be surprised if a new model turned up at some point. The 153 /155 is the only one thats not had an upgrade or a retool..