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  1. 13 hours ago, great northern said:

     Unfortunately, as my body constantly reminds me, I am definitely eleven years older. The grunts and groans as I duck under the baseboards get louder every year. As you say though, just keep soldiering on.

    I first read that as  just keep soldering on.  But I guess that's TW.....

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  2. I will vote for the Woodhead route as well.


    If we accept the argument that there was insufficient traffic to justify multiple routes between Manchester and Sheffield, I still do not understand the justification for closing the electrified route.  (It used to be said that we were the only country in Europe to close an electrified main line between two major cities.)  I find the argument regarding the age of the1500v DC equipment hard to swallow.  Replacement equipment to this standard could have been built, and there was precedent with the Shenfield electrification for upgrading to high voltage AC, possibly adopting the lower 6.25 kV level.


    I believe that there are now capacity issues with the Hope Valley route.  Was there a good reason for choosing Woodhead for closure, or was the decision made by those with loyalties to the old MR/LMS?

  3. Probably the most under-represented group of locos yet, I guess because the majority were broken up quickly at main works instead of being sold to places such as Barry.  Out of 168 non-streamlined Pacifics, only 2 were preserved (and 1 new build), with 1 out of 184 V2s.  Comparing them with the numbers of preserved Black 5s, Castles and Bulleid Pacifics, there could be an argument for adding to a class already preserved. 


    However, rules is rules.  My next favourite locos are:-

    i) the B17, a good honest looking loco without the taper boiler favoured by some designers

    ii) the V4, a pretty but powerful loco

    iii) the P1, the heavy goods equivalent of the Pacifics, but ahead of their time.  Was it Bulleid who described them as the best looking of Gresley's designs?


    I'm afraid Mr Thompson didn't do a lot for my favourites, particularly as he rebuilt and renamed Manchester City!  Both the B17 and V4 are the subject of new build programmes so maybe I should exclude those from my choices.  However, if we were to address new builds as a topic, I would nominate the W1 in original (compound with water tube boiler) condition, as I believe that  a team like the A1 Trust could resolve the problems of the original.


    So , by a process of elimination, my nomination has to be the P1.

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  4. 1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

    If the plural of loaf is loaves, then the plural of roof must be rooves, and the plural of oaf is oaves.  OTOH since the plural of sheep is sheep, the plural of roof should be roof.  The plural of fish can be fish or fishes, depending on whether they are food or living creatures; not sure what the correct term is if you eat more than one live fish/fishes.


    Smoke me a scampo, I'll be back for breakfast...

    I thought the fishy thing depended on the number of species - 2 herrings being fish but 1 and a haddock  being fishes....???

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  5. I think I also have to go with the L1, a fairly late but classic looking 4-4-0.


    More than 25 years ago I picked up a representation of a Claud from a swap meet, using a cut down B12 body mounted on a L1 chassis.  Quite good for its time, but would now be worth more as an original L1.

  6. I also thought about the Metropolitan. 


    I think maybe London Transport would have preserved one or two more Met steam locos if the LNER hadn't taken over steam operated services and the locos that pulled them, as they were largely responsible for the spread of "Metroland" out into rural Middlesex and Buckinghamshire.


    From the several classes, I will go for the 4-4-4 tank engine - an unusual wheel arrangement which looks well balanced.

  7. 36 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

    I don't think we did G&SWR did we?


    Of all the Baltic tank designs that appeared, I thought theirs looked the most stylish and striking, with their burnished steel boiler casing:




    If we already G&SWR and I've already voted for the type then I apologise for premature senility :crazy:

    That's a an impressive looking loco but the boiler looks long.  What was their steaming like?

  8. Oh Golly, GN time.  And you say we only have one choice?


    I agree that a model of the J6 is long overdue, given the number of pre-grouping 0-6-0s recently released or announced, but there are other classes perhaps more worthy of preservation.  The fact there is only one non-streamlined Gresley pacific preserved argues strongly that an original A1 should have been preserved.  The K3 and O2 have claims for pioneering 3 cylinder propulsion (and conjugated valve gear).  However, I am drawn to the earlier 2-6-0s, which have a claim to be the first  modern mixed traffic engine (as they had outside valve gear). 


    The original K1s were rebuilt with larger boilers to become K2 so my choice has to be the latter.

  9. A difficult choice. 


    The Jersey Lilies were reputedly one of the best looking engines of their generation, though personally I prefer the 4-6-0 version or an Immingham, and the A5 is a classic big tank engine.  However, the B3s must take my vote for their puissant appearance, and Valour had a double claim for preservation, being a war memorial as well as an impressive locomotive. 


    I wonder why the LNER didn't take this action, though they didn't include Robinson amongst the named A1s either.



  10. Whilst the B16 is a good shout, there are a lot of black 4-6-0s in preservation. 


    One of the first issues of Railway Modeller my Dad and I took (April 1954?) contained a drawing of a NE Z class Atlantic.  This really appealed to me because of its size and elegance and I pleaded with him to build me one!  Many years later, I bought a kit built one in LNER green livery, no 714, from a shop near Goodge Street. 


    So my vote has to go to the Z class Atlantic.

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  11. Another vote for 9875 Midlothian.


    A long time ago, I bought a model which had been assembled and primed, but never painted.  When I'm feeling brave enough, it will be my first attempt at painting and lining a loco.  What to do about applying the name, though?

  12. There is also "Great Western Horse Power" by Janet Russell, but it doesn't help a great deal.  


    The main focus of the book is on the use of horses for the collection and delivery of goods; in 1950-51 there were still more than 100 owned horses at Cardiff and 200 belonging to contractors but there is no reference to their use for shunting work.


    The section on shunting horses covers two pages only.  Here, the only Welsh reference is Newport, where the GW and Monmouth Railway shared two shunt horses with a driver and divided the cost of 82sh (£4.10) per week between them.  However, the section on stables suggests that these were hired in when additional help was required, as there was apparently stabling there for more than 36 horses - but no breakdown as to what they were used for.



  13. I wasn't going to vote in this poll because I don't know enough about the Midland (though my maternal grandad reputedly drove a horse and cart for them).  The I remembered the M&GN classes J40 and J41........


    So a vote for a little 3F tender engine after all!

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  14. Whilst I have a Silver Jubilee set in the to-do box, my vote has to go to the Coronation.  A complete matching train; the latest issue of Steam Railway has a feature on the restoration of the beaver-tail observation car, surely a candidate for restoration project of the year.  

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