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On 05/03/2024 at 17:51, classy52 said:
I would like to show the contrast/differences between the Accurascale WCRC Mark 2B coaches and the Bachmann 39-354 MK2 coach....
Interesting discuss on West Coast Railway’s use of colour. As someone who is aware of the paint code that WCR use, I thought to inject some practical points away from my chair.
WCR uses British Rail Standard Coaching Stock Maroon. Not their own ‘WCRC maroon’. Maroon is maroon, also know universally as British Standard 381C xxx…opps that would be selling for a penny!
As someone has noted on here, maroon is a transient colour and it changes (darkens) over time. No one photo shall match another as no one coach is painted at the same moment. Photos are a dangerous reference to use, some are clearly taken on a sunny day with direct sunlight. Others taken on a dull day, with a weathered coach. Unless we know the type of camera and are viewing on Apple’s Pro Display XDR/Studio Display/Macbook Pro with P3 true colour (okay you might not get a university discount…so go view in an Apple store)…we all find ourselves sliding down a tricky slope to push our chairs back up!
These photos of my trusty British Standard Colour Chart, one taken by artificial light and one in direct dull/overcast sunlight, shows how much 381C xxx / British Rail Maroon varies. None to my mind match what we are seeing here. Bachmann looks far more representative.
If I was being generous, I'd say the Accurascale maroon appears to match a coach that is freshly painted, in direct sunlight. Giving a much brighter effect to the colour. What we would need to check is to ask WCR whether the correct paint code was given to Accurascale, as it does appear a little light. If anything, it looks like a RAL match by the factory to BS. Anyone reached out?
One thing is clear, assuming Accurascale have worked with WCR (as why would they not?!). Is that their coach shall fade like the prototype over time.I know Accurascale are very popular on here right now. Yet Bachmann have had a proven, long established history with paint accuracy. I would trust their artistic representation of coach, and it shall be interesting to establish what British Standard paint code Accurascale used. No doubt they shall be along quickly to confirm they have also used the appropriate British Standard provided by WCR and we can all laugh about how impossibly transient Maroon is!
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Anyone going to address the elephant shouting 'here here here' in the room?
If these are coming in a future quarter, on my mama!
Also cannot find any information about the class 69, stating it is now available to order. Naturally shall be going for SFX!
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Seen this 'Warley Special'? Just grabbed myself a second one to re-number to 419!
https://revolutiontrains.com/product/o-gauge-Heljan-37-4-drs-compass-livery-37405/
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18 minutes ago, Shoey said:
I actually think that the light lenses are the correct length it’s the actual lighting unit/cluster itself that is too deep.
Correct, they are the same measurements of more recent ones. Only clusters which are slightly deeper are the new type (seen on 004).
All measurements can be found here: https://www.bmac.ltd.uk I rejected my Hatton's ones a long time ago, so do not have a model to measure against a prototype.
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6 hours ago, Shoey said:
I’m not too sure if the light clusters are slightly too large… it may just be the angle difference between the two photos of the model and the prototype. I can’t fully comment as I’ve never seen 66004 other than photos.
2 hours ago, Denny said:
Ooh yes! Good spot. The lashing eyes do throw a few things out being in the wrong place…I am so pleased others have spotted this too, it's my number one bug bear about the Hatton's tooling.
If I may combine your photos, to suggest the modern light also should have the same size lamps. I told Steve a few times.
Also, I am very interested in the GBRf ones.
Yet, the white (too 'white' or 'cream') and green (too light) on 779 doesn't look (well is not) right. See attached correct colours, I am sure if Steve messages me privately I would happily share the codes, as I really want to buy 779 if correct. (Mind you, would you not have the artwork from GBRf?).
On 763, I am not convinced by the gold. Seems too dark/too much honey. There is also a band of gold missing above the cab windows. The silver seems to be over printed too. (NB. there's different blues used by GBRf...certainly 752-778 came in a near 'ultramarine' blue).
And now nitpicking...
Look forward to ordering a sound fitted 779 from you, if the colours are sorted.
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On 02/05/2023 at 16:32, Mol_PMB said:
One of my 1400s has sound and it's a bit disappointing. The speaker isn't great and nor is the sound project.
In fact mine was supplied with rubbish 'generic' diesel sounds pre-loaded but even the 'proper' 1400 sounds (which can be provided by Sudexpress) aren't really up to the standard we now expect in the UK.
I've managed to fit a 20x20x7mm speaker in the top of the short bonnet with it encroaching slightly into the cab but I don't think it will be too obvious once I've reinstated the cab seats, desks etc.
As for the sound project, @Rick_Skateboard has made some recordings of the 1400s in service and is considering creating an improved version. Hopefully I can persuade him to actually do that! Otherwise there's a gap in the market for a decent commercial version.
Super useful post, when my three arrive I shall certainly be fitting a 20x20x7 into the short bonnet!
Is there a president for ESU re-recording locomotives as the technology/market moves forward?
I see here on Modelrailway.pt a photo of the upcoming Schindlers. I do like how Modelrailway.pt promote the hobby yet I would never stop buying through the outstandingly welcoming and helpful Daniel at Espacial Livraria E Papelaria.
2023 is going to be a golden year for modelling Portuguese railways!
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6 hours ago, 97406 said:
Hopefully the competition with the Class 37 will help bring Bachmann’s prices down to more sensible levels, without having to search for a bargain. I’ve ordered several of the other ones, but only have 1 of the new Bachmann ones.
Or, perhaps some of us do not mind paying for an increased degree of accuracy?! ;)
On speculation matters...
I am hoping for some 37/4s in DRS Compass next week! A Wessex Trains 150 or 158 before I am dead would be nice too.
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Great photos @Mol_PMB!! I might have to re-think about the Arlo 1900 when/if they release a Medway version. Even though I would love a Norbrass 1900, no doubt it shall be around €1900! Not that I cannot afford, just that is a lot of port I could buy instead?!
Are your 1400s sound fitted? Is the provided ESU speaker 'basey' enough or have you managed to fit a mega base or round enhanced base in there instead. Hard to know if space from the guide. (Ill easily answer for myself come later this year with all the new 1400s arriving!)
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That really is an outstandingly generous price for what is going to be the next benchmark OO locomotive after your Cl. 56. The pedantic attention to detail, whilst offering a great price, is truly noteworthy of admiration from me! I have always been rather on the fence in terms of interest in the Cl. 60, even though I have had some great experiences with them at Toton. Still, a Cappagh one is essential for anyone who likes stone trains and with the new level of detail you are bringing to the hobby, the Cappagh one is what I am getting! Look forward to further progress!
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I see sample photos are up on Hornby's website (https://uk.Hornby.com/products/gwr-class-800-trainbow-train-pack-era-11-r3872) for the upcoming GWR Trainbow IET 800/0 and it looks good with a vibrant rainbow (version worn from June 2018 to May 2022). I am impressed with the amount of label details they have printed on the IET, previous releases were rather lacking in the finer labels (or even correct door colours). Nice touch that the air-con fairings are now painted correctly with grey. Promising signs for the upcoming GWR 802/1. Shall be interesting to see whether it is 8-pin or 21-pin when it arrives.
GWR green looks same as earlier releases, certainly Hornby's take on it. Still think Bachmann make a closer match, it is what it is if you want an IET.
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On 21/04/2023 at 18:24, 159220 said:
Good to see the LokSound chips are now available to pre-order! Only, seeing as I am now the volunteered 'Accuraproof' reader for the website... The 'refurbished' sound chip has the description of the 'original'.
Now that's out there, I have a question. I am a virtual novice to DCC Sound, yet I am looking to learn (your approach of providing a chip and a clip in speaker seems to be a great way to learn). My main experience of the 37s is from Norfolk during the short set days. I am assuming that the 'original' is for the 37/0s including Colas's 37116, with the 'refurbished' being suitable for the DRS (and HNRC) 37/4 & 37/6? I remember fondly from my Wednesday afternoon writing days that 37422 and 37716 sounded different to the rest of the 37/4s in Norfolk. The best was always 37405 for sheer phenomenal sound! Equally, when the RVEL rebuild 37407 & 424 came along, 407 had more verbal charm than 424. All this might be down to other factors...
As the history is the 37 is rather complex, I do not want to assume that a refurbished sound is suitable for all modern livery 37s. Perhaps the specifications can state for what model it is suitable for?
Just flagging this up, as perhaps the F5 button broke...
I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Accurascale have recorded a 37/0, 37/7 and 37/6... surely a 37/4 too?
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Good to see the LokSound chips are now available to pre-order! Only, seeing as I am now the volunteered 'Accuraproof' reader for the website... The 'refurbished' sound chip has the description of the 'original'.
Now that's out there, I have a question. I am a virtual novice to DCC Sound, yet I am looking to learn (your approach of providing a chip and a clip in speaker seems to be a great way to learn). My main experience of the 37s is from Norfolk during the short set days. I am assuming that the 'original' is for the 37/0s including Colas's 37116, with the 'refurbished' being suitable for the DRS (and HNRC) 37/4 & 37/6? I remember fondly from my Wednesday afternoon writing days that 37422 and 37716 sounded different to the rest of the 37/4s in Norfolk. The best was always 37405 for sheer phenomenal sound! Equally, when the RVEL rebuild 37407 & 424 came along, 407 had more verbal charm than 424. All this might be down to other factors...
As the history is the 37 is rather complex, I do not want to assume that a refurbished sound is suitable for all modern livery 37s. Perhaps the specifications can state for what model it is suitable for?
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9 minutes ago, McC said:
"Earth mover" are brands ...
Ah, I did not know. I presumed that EarthMover was an ESU term/brand! Certainly having added sound to a Sudexpress 1400 and Euro 4000, the chip and speaker came attached from ESU. Good that Accurascale in the UK are making it as easy!
OK great, that's the specification on the Accurathrash speaker on the website. Clearly the answer is that there is a single Accurathrash speaker that is fitted to all models, as well as being available to buy separately!
Only... being new to sound and wanting the best... these are the sources to my confusion -
The Deltic is here said having an 'EM1' speaker (through you say such a term cannot be used):
Quote...you can now order our new "Accurathrash" EM1 type bass reflex speaker...
Yet, the Class 37 is clearly saying:
https://www.accurascale.com/collections/class-37/products/class-37-hn-rail-37405-dcc-sound-fitted
Quote...Large EM2 Style Bass Speaker...
So, I shall ask again, but differently (please do not presume I am an idiot, I am only using published evidence to ensure I buy something I am happy with). Is the Accurathrash speaker available now as an accessory, from the Deltic timeline (first link) or upgraded to the Class 37 timeline (second link).
As such, and avoiding brands, we know now the Deltic is equivalent to EM1 and the Class 37 to EM2. The above links, would make the Accurathrash equivalent to EM1 and thus inferior to what you have fitted to DCC Sound 37s?
I do not want to end up buying the Accurathrash speaker as available, for it not to match a superior product in the Class 37. Clearly, as I have demonstrated, I am confused by the different uses of speaker terms (EM1/EM2) on the Accurascale website. Just seeking clarity, thank you for your efforts.
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2 hours ago, McC said:
The magnetic lift-off roof on the 37 provides full access to the chip socket and speaker area. To fit the accurathrash simply pop off the roof, pop in the speaker connector (and chip)
All models have the 'iPad' style small speaker, stay alive bank and full lighting suite as 'built in, deluxe' features out of the box.
Hope that helps!
OK, good to have it confirmed that the standard model comes with a higher frequency fitted speaker.
Yet, my first question appears to be unanswered? I don't let students evade my line of questioning, so I won't let Accurascale off!
Is the Accurathrash speaker equivalent to either an EarthMover One or EarthMover Two? Though the sound fitted 37s are listed as EM2, I only asked above, as over on the Deltic thread there was a suggestion that the Deltic had an EM1 at the same time the Accurathrash speaker was out (there is nothing in the specification to confirm either way). Naturally, I want to ensure my 37s sound as good as the EM2 factory fitted examples!
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9 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:
Speakers are currently in stock: https://www.accurascale.com/collections/dcc-decoders-and-accessories/products/accurathrash-dcc-sound-speaker-pack-of-1
This affords an opportunity to ask a few follow on questions. As I am too someone who has gone for DCC Ready for my 37s, only now coming to DCC Sound... as such, I ask -
Is the said linked speaker an EarthMover One or EarthMover Two, equivalent? (I only ask as over on the Deltic thread, there were suggestions that the Deltic had an EM1...).
There must already be an 'iPhone' style speaker pre-fitted to the DCC Ready model? Considering the specification for DCC Sound states that a model comes with both a 'large EM2 style bass speaker' and a 'smaller iphone style cube for higher frequencies', as this latter speaker is not available to purchase in the DCC accessories section of the website, do I presume correctly?
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On 09/04/2023 at 22:13, Accurascale Fran said:
To clarify, the tooling cost would be to create the mech housing and the changes to the fan which would be required. The mech itself would also have to be considered. This is additional tooling and capex cost of course which would have to be passed onto the customer. The 31 has the fan as we built it in from the outset (same with the 50) so is being amortised over the life of the model.
If we decide to include it in run 3 or beyond, will we include it as part of the announcement and make everyone fully aware that it’s included. If that is confirmed, we will look to include it as a retrofit accessory if demand and cost works.
I might be one of these rare customers/modellers who seek's the definitive / 'the best' and I could not give a flying pig about the cost - it must be accurate and as true to the prototype as possible. So yes, I am disappointed as it seems Accurascale cater more for the modern modeller i.e me. Yet I shall thank you for providing a far more detail and factually accurate statement about working fans and what was meant by additional tooling. Focusing on run three and beyond, a working fan is a must! I am rather delighted I did not go in big with run one now and I think I shall cancel 37116 with my retailer and wait for run three with a definitive working fan - simple because when compared with Bachmann 37175 SFX it shall just disappoint me (I'll keep 37405 as its orange, just needs those 'CP' decals added!).
It sounds as if it is still very much the intention to allow an 'easy' way for the customer/modeller to retro-fit a working fan accessory (especially as you already have the physical space/place and the circuitboard/PCB is designed to power the fan). As for amortising the cost, previously 'the boss' as you business people call the them, has stated you have at least seven runs planned. So, say a fan mechanism costs a crazy figure like £20,000 and assuming you are producing the 37 in reasonable qualities, it works out as less than a £1 per model... I can afford that on my mediocre academic salary! Just do it!
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On 16/02/2023 at 16:00, Mol_PMB said:
Here's a quick pic of my Modelrailway.pt 1446,
On 15/03/2023 at 19:33, Mol_PMB said:And the other side:
Excellent modelling!
I have to say, the modelrailways.pt's Medway 1400 looks a far more professional respray than I had assumed. Still, academic now with Sudexpress releasing an RTR!
Your Transfesa Uacs look stunning! Wish I had four to mod, feel inspired!
Have you shown Armando your Cimpor photo, might finally inspire Sudexpress to re-release as they simply do not come up for sale. Though I understand several numbers were released.
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On 07/04/2023 at 17:25, McC said:
As per the specifications none of the 37’s announced so far have working fans. Our focus has been on delivering the delayed models and producing more to meet demand before embarking on the retooling required (for the motor mounts ) and changes in prices that may be needed. These 37’s are identically highly specified as run 1, with dual speakers, extensive lighting, built in stay alive etc.
I am aware of the specifications of the run one locomotives, hence my question was following my understanding from published information on RMWeb by Accurascale. It was clear you have been using the delay to ensure a working fan module can be offered, well until your statement above confuses things!
Honestly, I am disappointed that run two shall not include this feature. Yet this is balanced against how I am relieved that I have made the right decision to only buy two locomotives from run one as it appears I could not retro fit a working fan accessory, after all.
Your statement above on needing to tooling for the physical provision of working fans and speculating on price... is confusing when considering, if you review what has been said (by yourself) in this thread:
a) the functionality is been embedded in the electronics,
b) models have been designed for module fitting,
c) you have made physical space for the fan module,
d) You hope to offer a fan module at cost to the run one customer,
e) the class 31 is the same price as the class 37, already offering a working fan (even on DCC versions),
and f) you have published a statement in July 2022 saying that it is likely future runs of earlier launches will include the technology.
Thus, for the sake of clarity here. Are you or are you not going to offer (as previously suggested):
1. working fan in run two and beyond, class 37s?
2. a fan module accessory that the customer can fit to the run one locomotives (considering previously Accurascale have said this has been designed in)?
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On 06/04/2023 at 13:00, Accurascale Fran said:
That's nice, but just missing a proper logo.... !!!
I have asked Gareth, yet no reply :( so could Fran et al on Rmweb confirm whether 'run 2' shall have working fans on DCC?
This was originally mentioned by your boss back in Aug 2021 as something you have designed for the future...
On 09/08/2021 at 21:29, McC said:When originally evaluated, the existing technology was expensive and we felt a £200 dcc ready loco was beyond what customers would find fair.
With the class 92 (deco sample updates very shortly) we gained huge experience with the motor technology required to seamlessly and silently operate the pantographs which ended up being translatable into working fans, louvres, vents, you name it.
We since then retro-tweaked the fittings and sound projects to accommodate a future fan module that may be an option or no cost feature of a very slightly more expensive model in a future run and may well become a standard feature in all the other diesels we are busy making behind the scenes. We’d hope to offer the fan module to first run customers at cost if it works out.
If you are to include, have you come up with a working solution to retro fit the 'run 1' locomotives with a working fan? I reduced my orders for 'run 1' right back to only 37409 and 423 as I was happy to wait for a couple of years for the 37/6s to be produced again with such features!
Still, I have ordered CP inspired 37405 direct and Colas 116 with my usual retailer, in the faith their fans shall work! In the meantime, Bachmann 37175 Sound Fitted Deluxe shall keep me entertained.
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The Medway 1400 from Modelrailway.pt are re-paints, which has put me off, so I am delighted Armando has taken the plunge and released an RTR Medway 1400. 1465 and 1422 were released in Medways awesome black last year too, more to come this year. An excuse to buy two of the Medway 1446 and renumber...I think yes!
Ah I would have preferred 1413 or 1424 in blue, but I suspect 1455 is more of a modern celeb with the Presidential. Plus 1455 shall match Schindler 1231 in dark blue? I know, I can dream of 2025-2026 release for that one!
Please to hear I am not alone in wanting Cimpor Uacs! Hopefully 2025-2026!
I saw an EP of the Schindlers in Continental Railways last March, IDK am I allowed to post here. I suspect credit to Armando at Sudexpress. So hopefully released this year?!
BTW the 1900s are now a Norbrass project (officially dropped from Sudexpress range), looking spectacular for brass, both Medway liveries planned...so that's a couple grand spent! - https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=505029781625973&set=pcb.505030081625943
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Sudexpress 2023-24 is out! So many Euro's to choose from...and all the 1400s you'd ever want!
Shame to see the Medway Sgnss have disappeared (I have asked Armando why) and I had hoped for a re-release of the Cimpor Uacs (or were these Norbasss?). Anyway, if you might be disappointed with Hornby or Bachmann this year...Sudexpress delights!
https://www.yumpu.com/xx/document/read/67520516/sudexpress-novelties-2023-2024
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On 06/12/2022 at 10:50, Rick_Skateboard said:
I couldn't help myself, and I've now got a Sudexpress 1400 in my collection.
In terms of measurements it comes up virtually spot on at 34.6mm wide, and although the steps might be ever so slightly undernurished they add about another 1mm either side. I bought a DCC sound fitted one, and it comes with a Loksound v5. I think there's room for improvement on the factory fitted speaker, and I've ordered a replacment.
Cheers,
Rick
Where did you get from? I thought they had sold out in Portugal earlier in the summer. I did not realise until October that she's still operational with Medway, too late to buy :(
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Am I able to clarify here? Are you still proposing to release GWR 143s? I have no interest in a weathered example.
I have waited 10 years plus now for a Wessex 143 that has often been proposed but not released, is that something to give up hope on?
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Anyone know why 3354 is yet to be released? I have on pre-order. TBH I never saw 3350 in the list of orders, has 3354 been dropped for 3350 instead? Shame!
RevolutioN Trains announce "Caroline" Inspection Car in OO gauge and EOI for one in N gauge
in Revolution Trains
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But which green? She’s been in a number of shades! You have ‘BR Southern’ green which was originally painted on a non-refurbished saloon by Fragonset in July 2003. The saloon was not named ‘Caroline’ until February 2005…so would you print nameplates or not? I would utterly love to have this model with a Fragonset 31/33!
We all know of the stories surrounding the resultant Virvidan green on the re-built saloon in spring 2008, yet even this changes! In 2012 GSM-R equipment was fiitted (antenna on the roof and new cab equipment), the step lamp was changed and new safety decals were applied.
Deep Brunswick Green followed in January 2015, which is basically what the ‘003’ model is based on…or is it? The roof was not actually repainted until the winter of 2017…running with a much brighter grey for two years. Should this be modelled?
Now with her ‘cool grey’ roof, we should now have the model 003 representing the prototype…well if you remove the CET Tank and add the older toilet pipe. At least the model in the box represents the period from March 2021 to spring 2023!
If you want to model after then, Caroline has been painted back into ‘proper’ BR Southern Green. So should this be modelled? Certainly scope, she looks rather charming in her latest livery, even if the locomotive traction is rather garish these days! Yet how long before she’s fitted with ETCS equipment and would Revolution be willing to tool the differences to the cab? Seems to be a forever moving goal post.
I am game for 'Fragonset' era and bang up to date, but would be rather annoyed if 003 was re-run as Revolution always said its a pre-order/truly unique opportunity with a price tag to reflect!