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  1. Andy, when it comes to the London bogie truck sides, be they maximum-traction or equal wheel, they are well illustrated on KW Trams accessories page and are dimensionally correct for the Classes and Types mentioned and of course fit their mechs.! A set of 4' w/b mechs arrived today so I can now fit with the Brill 22E truck sides and continue to finish the Type T balcony car illustrated on 17th June. Colin.
  2. Andy, I have never come across a genuine Birney either double or single truck in the British Isles. However, some design facets did emerge in some of the British experimental single decks that emerged in the 1920s but by the end of that decade the bus was making inroads with new trams becoming too expensive, conversion of existing cars to front entrance was only affordable.
  3. Andy, what became the standard London maximum-traction truck was 4'6" wheel-base for which KW Trams provide the correct 18mm. mech. The Brill 22E was found on LCC Class A, most LUT Types, Croydon Class B2 and Erith's bogie cars. Colin.
  4. KW Trams have just released, through the website, mech MEMT16 to power 4' wheel-base maximum-traction trucks such as the Brill 22E.
  5. Many thanks, Johann and Nick for completing the investigation. That is decisive for me as I had either a horse named Brighton or horse racing at Brighton to follow up. If only my grandfather had not passed away before I was born he could have told me!!! He took a Workman's Return on the 16/18 using this stop as he was a night shift engineering manager on the Fleet Street printing machines that he had built when employed by Monotype at Salfords, Redhill. He took the Fleet Street job and moved to a brand new house in Thornton Heath just as the LCC and Croydon opened the joint tram service in 1926. He bought his WR ticket at Blackfriars when returning home early morning so he could use it in the early evening of that day when he went to work! KW Trams has just released, through the website, mech MEMT16 to power 4' wheel-base maximum-traction trucks such as Brill 22E used on the early classes and types of LCC. LUT and MET cars.
  6. Pleased to report that Brian Robinson of BEC-KITS/Tower Trams is back home and confirms that he has stock of the auxiliary E/1 sprue available so please contact him on his website for this and 'new' kits.
  7. Phil, the photo I find was recorded as being taken in 1933 but no day or month. Oh, that 'copper' in the way still leaves us on the 'knife edge'!!! Colin.
  8. Tower E/1 kit - part 7 - upper deck seats and pigtails. In part 4 was shown the upper deck floor with painted stairwell partitions and seats in place. A quick experiment to see the result of using (and cutting to fit) the scaled down Alphagraphix E/1 and Rehab card kit seats has resulted in the attached views. The top one shows the fronts of slatted wooden seats of the E/1 plus the rears of the upholstered Rehab seats. The bottom one is the same but from the other direction. However, the time and effort may not be so rewarding with the wooden seats but more so for the colourful upholstered ones. Just a thought as I may use the upholstered pattern in the ex-Croydon E/1s planned. In part 3, pigtails were mentioned. Whilst easiest at this stage to drill the retaining holes for scratch-built pigtails bent from wire, the prior decision on a prototype to be modelled is critical. There are four possible locations; three on the vertical centre line of the upper deck ends between the windows and the destination boxes, whilst on a few, it can be on the cant rail to the right of the destination box. Whilst pigtail location was usually the same at both ends, there were exceptions so beware!!! Having photographs is a must and a challenge to find those showing both sides and ends in between the same overhaul period. Unlikely in the LPTB period but highly likely in LTE days as so many photographs were taken. So I strongly recommend the following collection as a very good search start. <www.tramwayinfo.com>. Click 'T.L.R.S.', then click 'info' followed by 'A.J.Wills London Trams'. Once there click 'Search Photographic Database' (also recommend you read the Notes mentioned), then 'Search for a Class of Car'. Then you have a choice of 'E1' (478 views), 'CCT E1' (81 views) and 'EH' (29 views). If you still cannot find what you want then please do not hesitate to ask at <[email protected],co.uk>.
  9. Thanks, Phil. Yes, we do have problems with photos in identifying London tramcar ownership from 1932 to 1934 where we either do not have the date of taking or are unable to see even a glimpse of the ownership 'legal lettering' on the bottom of the lower deck waist panels. There is many a view published as being LCC, LUT, MET, SMET, etc. where clearly the LPTB legal lettering is pasted over that of the previous owner. Both Brixton Hill and Hampstead depots had lines of trams waiting scrapping still with their old numbers and in the previous livery, some photographed without the LPTB ownership slip! From July, 1933, as the future required Croydon trams went straightaway to Charlton for annual overhaul they emerged in the final LCC livery with their LPTB numbers in LCC numerals, as an example of speed. So the source of the Blackfriars shelter photo needs further investigation on date of taking - if we will ever know!!! Before deciding on slightly differing red and cream to that of the LCC, LPTB did look at a complete colour change as a result of 'Bluebird' entry in 1932 in blue to be the forerunner of a first batch of 100 cars for Kingsway Subway services and the joint 16/18 service with Croydon. E/3 192 was painted in a similar hue whilst E/1 583 appeared in a lighter blue. By 1934 the new LPTB 'red' livery was being applied but the addition of the LT fleet-name was not applied until May of that year. Need-less-to-say the 'old' paint stocks at Charlton were quickly used up on the ex-municipal cars but at Hendon the process was slower on the ex-Combine cars. Colin.
  10. Phil, are you sure that the Ford Y came out late 1933 as I find 1932 was when production commenced? Certainly Unilever House was completed in 1933. My problem is which side of 1st July 1933 my photo was taken? I thought you had got me finally sorted on the LPTB side after I first thought it to be on the LCC side!!! Colin.
  11. Thank you, all. This has been very helpful as I have had difficulty putting a date to the attached to prove that the trams are in the final LCC livery.
  12. Just spotted an excellent single trolley roof view of a Brixton Hill bound 16 about to merge in with the traffic coming off Blackfriars Bridge pre-WW2. Note the fleet number on the white painted roof. In those days the Rolling Stock Engineer's office was located above the tracks in Camberwell Depot so roof numbers speeded up his attention to cars in trouble! Seems 1235, 1236 and 1239 were in a batch sequence of numbered cars at Streatham depot at this time.
  13. Sorry, an error crept in the part 3 continuation. Car 1235 did not have an accident so did not get an Alpax top cover. During the Class E/2 experiments it kept its original top deck. Thus 1235 should appear with its Streatham stable mate 1236 until 1938.
  14. Tower E/1 kit - part 3 - upper deck ends (continued). I could not believe that I had missed out the easiest and, for at least two of you, the most important variant!!! But first within the number ranges I gave, cars 989, 1081, 1120 and 1235 can only be modelled as per the kit in LCC original livery. In the late 1920's their top decks were destroyed beyond economic repair by accidents so received the then new Alpax (E/3 style) ones. It is believed that the last car mentioned was used to test front-exit operation as designed to be a new Class E/2 variant. Whilst this worked on newly constructed cars like the Felthams and rebuilds in other cities, it did not find favour with the LCC. The attached view shows the missing variant where the side vent window is removed completely. The addition of the large service number stencil holder was fitted experimentally to cars1056, 1236, 1547 and 1578, a design that was to be standard for all new cars prior to Bluebird in 1932. Cars 1056, 1547 and 1578 definitely received 'reflected light' outside mounted holders on the top panel of the destination boxes to light the destination blind below. Certainly in LPTB days, 1056 had received a replacement K-ray box at one end. Incidentally, it was this car that was chartered for two consecutive days in 1934 to convey Clapham school children for a day out at Hampton Court. It would have had the 26 stencil up to alert the Hammersmith Broadway pointsman and either PRIVATE or SPECIAL on its blinds but may not have received the LT fleet name yet. Streatham depot's 1236 in LPTB days had a '3-code' panelled box at one end and a K-ray one the other. All these cars were open fronted but only 1236 survived into the war years. 1236 was ousted by the Felthams in 1938 but having received windscreens was transferred to New Cross. It was last photographed in this condition with wartime embellishments at Lee Green in 1941 whilst on service 46. So this car makes an ideal wartime E/1 variant.
  15. M 1704 is in LCC livery before it gave way to the full LCC red and cream that it was in when LPTB took over in July 1933. The demolition of the Royal Hotel could have been under way with the car in this livery but by the time Unilever House was finished the lower deck waist corner panels on 1704 would have turned red.
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