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Now an update. Brand new munitions arrived, painted and loaded on to the four of the six wagons shown. There is a further one-end plank which completes my flat wagon fleet. The second wagon from the left is a four-end plank with the top planks removed to make one of those with three each end. In the foreground are my present alternative loads.

If not aware but still modelling 009 RNAD railways, you are welcome on "009 RNAD wagons". HappyChappie has contributed and shortly I hope to have images of further new munitions loads and another Hunslet version.

The ABS Mercury is still listed in the ABS range on KW Trams website.

What is an interesting question is the need to have a tower wagon on an all conduit layout! In reality Brixton Hill depot with its overhead wiring this had to be maintained. Now the Streatham to Purley overhead was maintained after 1935 by the trolleybus OLE team at Sutton depot. So they could have done what little was needed at Brixton Hill. But down the road in Brixton started two sections of overhead operation. More likely that the team responsible for these looked after Brixton Hill - so where were they based?

Now here is a challenge!!! Roger Tuke has permitted his views of Breakdown Tender 176K he has made for the T&LRS Bridge Street layout, to be shown here. The crane has to be completed with its hawsers and hook. The wheel on the crane top is not the spare wheel!!! The spare wheel can be see inside the canopy in the offside view. 176K often tendered on the Streatham routes. That just leaves 173K to 175K to be modelled in similar condition. 177K is similar but also has the overhead line tower added. Who will step up to the mark?

Thanks. There is no era at West Dean it just gets what comes along!!! I have ordered a couple more 393175s at the lowest price I can find (the last two!) and with the original Bachmann batch selling out with prices already up by almost £5 a wagon. I had looked at West Country military lines years ago and suggested to Hornby that they do a MoD Sentinel but nothing further heard. The continuous run was caused by having too many Peco Setrack points unused! With the tracks at both ends going to go into the underground magazines to reach the fiddle yard means that, when I have added a Bachmann Baguley (pre-ordered) to my Hunslet, one will go in one end loaded and come out the other end loaded whilst the other loco does the reverse with an empty train. I hate having to put wagons back on 009 track!!! The SG is cosmetic but I do have a Hornby WD Ruston to add when necessary. Now Dinton sounds interesting so look forward to any views. How do you get on shunting at either ends?

Sorry, that view of WD was poor so herewith the view from the other end.

Thank you, that has mademe another Happy Chappie and my day to know there is someone else active in this universe! I attach a view of West Deanin its infancy. Now that the cardboard base is down I am on to constructing the hillside in cardboard to stengthen the bases. A balsawood road will strengthen those sections not covered by the hillside. Watch this space for the reintroduction of bombs and bomb-racks to fit Bachmanns and another Dean Hill Hunslet (without the air cylinders). My 'bible' for RNAD railways is "MOD Railways" by Michael Hitchen (Amberley Press). 95 pages packed with colour photos of which 88 are taken at Dean Hill and appears comprehensive of the DH rolling stock - so very much recommended. Look forward to seeing more photos of this and other peoples' RNAD layouts.

My Bachmann flat wagons now loaded. Is there any one still with this thread to be interested?

Yes, I saw this on the TLRS Facebook site and it is one of many we have of traffic congestion on Blackfriars Bridge in LPTB/LTE tram days. Note the first tram seen going northbound is an E class on 26 to Kew Bridge and beyond an E/1 with Alpax replacement top deck on 14 to Wimbledon via Wandsworth. Both these trams will continue along the Embankment over Westminster Bridge to Vauxhall where the 14 will reach Wandsworth via Nine Elms and the 26 via Clapham Junction.

Yes, Andy, it was a very different world before WW1 than it was after. The non-inustrial police forces as we know them only commenced in Vixtorian times and they were still at its end trying to take full control of the public in many ways. Alcohol effects, ruly behaviour were common place as people left the fields in droves to live and work in towns. The police were only just settling down to the click-clock of hooves when the electric tram and combustion engined machines came along. Through the 19th century public transport, first omnibus then tram only stoppedin town at public houses! The provision of tram stops came first but police wanted numbers limited to three otherwise they foresaw a riot. For the LCC to have tram shelters sent the police mad! Speed of all vehicles was in the hands of the Board of Trade which was a vast single body out of its depth as the manner of Trade had mushroomed. The BoT set all tram speed limits on every section of track but they were greater than the police felt they could control. There was great friction between the Met Police and the LCC over how to develope London and control it. Some police objection was obvious such as control and effectiveness of braking especially on coupled cars. This never went away after WW1 and speed and innovation became a greater problem for the police to accept. Creating the Ministry of Transport got to many of the transport operators concerns over police objections but went on to create further problems for transport operators which helped the police in their general dislike of trams. But this was a problem not just in the UK but also in the world. Recently the EU tried to limit tram speeds on reserved tracks to be the same for that on the parallel roads. Like the past it was much due to personal frustration of car drivers including police stuck on congested roads having tram after tram overtaking them. In London after WW1 watch the antics of Superintendent Bassom of the Met. trying to control the whole of London's transport! You have taken on an interesting take reading of the effects of the police on the development of the London tramways. Today the police have won - any problem and a whole tram system can stop for them to get the RAIB to take over!!! Colin.

If you want to just have the ammo boxes mentioned above, just email the seller 'woodworm2014' on Ebay who can made these available without the wagon.

Had you already got MET Vol 2? The police appear in that as well!!!

Have now received two 3D printed kits from "woodworm" on Ebay. One is to easily make 10 pallets which fit nicely as a load on Bachmann flats. The other is to build a wagon loaded with ammunition boxes. The ammo box load is superb and again fits nicely on Bachmann flats. The wagon itself is generic and similar to Peco N-119 without braking! These kits are so inexpensive one can afford to load a long train!.

Johann, I have been told that the actual MSC licensing dates do not appear to have survived so I have given my further comments above on dating based on Cyril's statements in his books. So look forward to hearing how you have got to the end of exploring all your possible leads. Please let me know if you decide to write an article and which photos you want to use so copyright can be sorted by the publisher. Roger and out! Colin.

The middle photo of the lady paying her fare was on 341 after alterations in 1924/5 to bring it more into line with 342-344. The bottom view is definitely 342 on 18.10.24 at Hanwell.

I have come to the conclusion that this photo was taken in 1923 and possibly staged in Hanwell depot. The Brandt coin exchange looms large over the Shanklin ticket issuer. This would have been before the car was rebuilt for the full one-man operated Hanwell-Brentford service on 2.9.25.

Yes, Tony, the police hated the rapidity of change from Victorian society when they were formed. Electric trams were too fast for them and more than three people were not allowed at stops where trams must not have two stopped one behind the other and hauling trailers or working M/U. When the BoT refused to continue to back them by WW1, a new breed of copper emerged in the 1920's Superintendent Bassom who thought he was "King of London's transport"! While he succeeded in organising service numbers for buses he ojected to every post-WW1 improvement in the tramways. Keep enjoying the history reading, Colin.

Johann, I have started at the beginning! MET 132 damaged 1920 and rebuilt 1921 as a one-man car with automatic ticket machines and tested on Alexandra Palace services but Metropolitan Police objected to one-man cars on hilly routes. The bottom photo on page 396 of LUT Vol 2 is off the interior of 342 as the window design is not that of 341. You would have come across the "Mileometers" also called Road Guides. If interested see Appendix 22 of Cyril's MET Vol 2 book. Colin.

No Tony, SR71 told me that he received an offer just before he got mine, so not coming to me but I am not all that concerned. Thank for helping, Colin.

Johann, as we have got to this point I will find time to do a history timescale for 341-344. As the view of 341 is at Hanwell better dating is necessary - I do find wrong dates recorded as photos are indexed by museums. I will have to find out if the MSC licensing data has survived for LUT. I have all such data on London's trams from 1933-1952 and know that some survived for LCC cars. Colin.

Johann, herewith a lightened top view with the boy pulling the ticket. Taken at Hanwell depot but not clear whether 341 hadbeen rebuilt before or after photo taken. Colin.

Johann, there is not much more one can glean so I add three from the T&LRS London Photo Archive. The foot pedal is stated as operating the ticket punch to authorise the ticket by a hole before issue. I wonder if 342-4 and 341 rebuilt as a bogie car had a decent shelf top above and incorporating the ticket machine. Have you enquired of the London Transport Museum? Colin.

Andy, there is a familarity from the past about them but I have not seen them. It is the RV in the blueprint references. They will go on to the LPTB/LTE blueprint collection from Charlton Works from which the Society members make the large scale models. Colin.