[Wright writes.....]

Pre grouping with wooden coaches it was the norm to build with a hog so they would level off once finished. If my reading is correct.

richard

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

8 hours ago, gr.king said:

My B4 sits on a (late 80s / early 90s?) Margate B12 chassis (the version with a smaller motor in an adaptor bracket, after the X04 motor was discontinued). The McGowan bogie rather than the Margate one is used of course, and after a period tolerating the under-size Hornby wheels with huge balance weights and mini-flanges on the middle set I re-wheeled it with Markits wheels of the right size. They could probably just as easily have been a shade larger to suit the Robinson B1 instead. Markits even do "Margate size" axles to make the job easy (9/64" dia?) and I believe there may be an option to have one axle ready-keyed to prevent the transferred plastic drive gear from slipping.

Good to know. I had sort of know about the b12 option but the data suggested in real life they had a different wheelbase to the b1. Perhaps in model form it is different. I have a McGowan b4 but want to leave that as a b4. Hence the possible butchery of the Atlantic body. Having said that , I have a boiler from an o4 , if it getting a new cab anyway, not much extra to knock up some splashers and running plate. Hmmm. Much food for thought.

thanks

richard 

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

20 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Hi Richard

 

Do you have Robinson Locomotives by Haresnape and Rowledge ?

 

There is a diagram of an Immingham class loco, and they state the only difference between that and the 6 ft 9 ins 4-6-0s was the wheels were 3 inches smaller. The diagram then says the wheels were 6ft 7ins ( I know your a History Teacher but I think you can see something wrong with their mathematics). 

 

Would you like me to send you the diagram?

Thanks, but I have the book, but with the inconsistency in maths I was looking for a more definitive answer.

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

I have found it should be 7’3 +7’3 

so an A1 or A3 would work or a coronation

if only a 4-6-0 worked. I will continue to explore options. Let’s face it at the pace I work  it will be a while before I have to make a final decision.
richard  

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

Thanks it looks a good reference. I will see if any work.

richard 

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

Posting less as I feel I have little to show. However, now the first tender is nearly done. 

all the metal work is nailed on. Now the other bits to glue on/ make. Not completely cleaned up yet so please forgive the solder. 

I have been pondering the other tender. The green one does not have a water scoop. So no good for an Atlantic. Which classes had a green tender and no water scoop? Any D9? 
also thinking about whether to turn the McGowan white metal Atlantic into the 4-6-0 equivalent. After a chat with TGB it needs a new chassis and cab/ back end. I have been hunting for a drawing to see the driving wheel spacing but have yet to find one. Does anyone know the spacing and whether there is a 6ft9in wheeled rtr chassis which would work or is it a scratch build chassis either way I choose to build it? 
many questions, but then I should not leave them so long to ask.

richard 

[Wright writes.....]

2 hours ago, robertcwp said:

There is no RTR B2 but they carried BR green.

Only scruffy black at the end of their lives unfortunately, a far cry from the lined green and Indian red of their gcr heydays.
oh wait you mean the fake later ones which had the temerity to insist on the real ones being reclassified as b19s.

hat, coat, wrong audience.

richard 

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14 hours ago, Woodcock29 said:

They would have been.

Andrew

Thanks

i was coming to the same opinion. 
I have also worked out what was bugging me about the front end and why it did not look right. Alterations and additions underway. Just the rear coal bulkhead to work out how to make as the one supplied is not like the low or high version. Still need to build the front side pieces, sanders, brake, fall plate, coupling, floor, ………

in other words, enough to keep me busy whilst I work out how to raise the cab front and roof on the white metal kit.

richard 

 

[Wright writes.....]

Tony it looks good. Thank you for straightening it up. I will transfer funds, perhaps I can look at lining to fit if I have any which might work.

richard

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

Start with the tender I thought, it will be quick to finish I thought. 
not so. 

it now rolls with the sub chassis fitted to the body with my nut supports fitted. 
it should be much simpler from here to finish it off…..or I have an idea how I am going to solve the rest of the issues. 
 

one question though. Were all the Atlantic tenders water scoop fitted? It would change the shape of the filler cap. Any ideas?

Richard 

[Pre-Grouping Coaching Stock]

Whole roof would quickly go grey. So should be painted to reflect the condition you chose to do the sides in for a natural weathered look.

richard 

[Grim-up-North; Goathland, Queensbury & Bradford.]

It does not matter which side is insulated as long as that side has pick ups and the non insulated has a wire from the chassis to the motor.

richard 

[East Barnet Joint Stock - a workbench]

If you want somewhere chilly I recommend my house which never seems to heat up.except during heatwaves when nothing will cool it down. 
richard 

[Wright writes.....]

51 minutes ago, jwealleans said:

Tony, that is a GC luggage brake (can't recall the diagram - 1Y something?).  Perseverance may have done a kit - Bill Bedford does etches now for it.  I've built a similar clerestory one - I'm not sure about the roof arrangement on this.

 

The LNER number is in the 5xxx series, so it is plausible at least.   I'm not sure it would ever have been in a varnished finish that light, but it's very nice to look at.

It does look nice. They can be a minefield as there are similar ones but with differences in roof and length. Even in gcr days some were treated as passenger stock and were varnished, others were seen as good stock and were in freight grey. Might the lner have continued that practice. I agree on the livery as gcr coaches were normally redder in tone more mahogany undertones. However when these parcel stock were repainted from brown and cream livery some were painted in an imitation wood livery. Definitely the clearstory version.  
And then let’s not drag in the ones which became ambulance cars during Ww1 

thank you Tony for your kind words about the kids. The eldest has slept with his wagon kit on his bedside table all week waiting until he can get hold of glue on our return home.

richard 

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

Simple casting of bits from other things.

dome / smokebox door from a Bachman o4, axle boxes and springs plus water filler from another kit.

richard 

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

The brass Atlantic breaks cover.

most is only plonked as sub assemblies but it is the first day it is actually looking vaguely like it is supposed to.

richard 

[East Barnet Joint Stock - a workbench]

Perhaps next to the white with bow pen and then brush paint the larger areas.

richard 

[4472 Flying Scotsman 5"]

Glad you got through your bout with the bug and are able to get back to life.

richard

[Rufford Red Lion Square]

Are the tracks leading to the turntable going to be hidden?

richard 

[Wright writes.....]

1 hour ago, Chas Levin said:

Very nice carriages Richard; whose kits are they please?

Thank you. John fozzard kits. They went together very nicely.

richard 

[Wright writes.....]

In the absence. Carriages finished. GCR matchboard suburbans.

A luggage composite lavatory and a brake third.

 

richard

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

Carriages finished

 

on to the Atlantic’s full time now.

richard 

[Dettingen GCR might have been layout]

I even looked on their stand. Shows how blind I am. 
 

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2 hours ago, ChrisN said:

I assume these are not Ratio seats?  If they are Dart Castings do them.

Thank you. I will check them out.
most of the rant was not that they do not exist, it was more that an exhibition would be organized of that size and it would not have at least one of those types of stalls. 
richard 

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Seats for two and a half carriages.

some first made from third class and some third from scraps put together. 
I still need 3 compartments worth. And here is my moan. I went to Ally Pally on Saturday. Of all the stands there I could not find a single one selling carriage seats. Has putting seats in a carriage become so beyond the mainstream?  The place needed a stand like rural railways which used to have a good mix of bits and pieces. It is almost not worth going and to save my trips for the shows which have the kits and bits suppliers at. Okay rant over. 
I shall have to turn to the evil bay to get an old kit as they are such a rarity today. 
richard