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  1. Change of plan. I went with paint light colour and worry about dark one if necessary.


    this is as far as I got. I think the neatness is improving. It certainly looks more gcr. 
    now touch up the brown and add any other colour as needed.

    unless anyone has more/ better suggestions. I am trying to get it to look good. 
    behind the double doors handles in that panel - grey? 

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  2. Anyone taken 'extreme' weathering to this level on their models? 

    Now Tony do we really need to ask that question? 
    One clean Austerity shown at a club night, and one phrase of, “ it will need to be weathered to run on Stoke.”  Led to one austerity which it is rumoured might once have been black. 

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  3. 8 hours ago, gregpokes1/Camden said:

    Evening all,
    I wanted to unveil a project that has been in the works for the past couple weeks.  RMWeb user "Ribird" and I have been working together to produce 3D printable detail packs for the current "super" detailed Hornby A4 tenders.  I must admit that I've no knowledge whatsoever on CAD and have left it up to the professional Ribird to design the kits so all credit ought to go to him.  I helped with a few measurements and quite a bit of the research aspect but never mind that... The first prototype is installed in my LNER 'Mallard' in 1988 condition when she was restored for the "Mallard '88" special runs, hence the application of warning flashes on the rear of the tender.

    This kit was designed using the base structure of the original Hornby insert and designed to replace the stock insert attached inside the tender shell, therefore the base measurements were not altered in any way, just detailed properly.  A coal door, corner braces, and rivet strips were 3D printed along with the new insert to correctly model this streamlined non-corridor tender which are separate pieces.  Two types of inserts have been drawn up for the streamlined non-corridors, one with a high flat-topped rear bunker and one with a sloped-back top bunker.  We believe Hornby did not model the insert properly since we have no evidence of a low-flat top rear bunker ever being produced for the non-corridors.  Seven different variations are currently being drawn up by Ribird for the non-streamlined corridor and at least two, maybe more, designs are being drawn up for the the streamlined corridor tenders.  Differnces include flush riveting versus exposed riveting, bunker shapes, water filler caps, etc.

    I hope you'll agree that the detailing on the interior of the tender truly brings the model much more to life.  Updates to follow as new designs are printed and installed into my other A4 tenders...







    There is certainly far more detail there. Now to fill it with coal, but not so high that it covers all the detail just fitted. 

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  4. I think I might have a solution to the cream window surrounds. James linked to a pen which could draw a 0.25 line which I could draw in once the window frame is painted a varnished wood. Thus getting two colours on something only 0.5mm wide. Maybe.

    I might do one side totally to see if it works and necessary go to plan C or D which ever we are up to now. 

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  5. 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:


    I dissent from my learned friend's opinion. Bolection mouldings project outwards from the beading, as on the fixed lights of the carriage in this photo [DY 1954]:




    This crop from a drawing of a similar carriage shows how they work, holding the window glass in place against the structural framing of the carriage body  [crop from MRSC Item 88-D0001]:




    These Parker carriages have a method of construction similar to that of a Wolverton diner, where all the windows are held in frames that are like droplight frames, though they're not necessarily droplights:




    [LNWR D29 dining saloon No. 77, preserved at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre. Own photo.]


    In fact Parker's design is very closely modelled on the first generation of West Coast Joint Stock dining saloons, with opening toplights set in the frame, as in this photo.



    The diners are very closely related and that close up photo of the window does give much food for thought about the way forward. I want to ultimately do 2 of them in brown and cream to match the dining set in that livery when I can get that set together. I like consistency of livery along a trains length though can have different liveries on different rakes of carriages. Though if I really can’t get it to work / live with the result I will have to look at doing them in French grey.......or mahogany. 

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  6. 2 hours ago, Caley Jim said:

    Can I make a respectful suggestion for painting the panels without getting too much paint on the beading?


    Thin the paint, load the brush (by how much will depend on the size of the panel) and place it in the centre of the panel.  Now use the tip of the brush to push the paint over to one corner and then 'tease' it around the edges of the panel.  If the consistency is right capillary action will readily run it round the angle between panel and beading.   For very thin panels it is often enough to put a spot of paint at one end of the panel and it will run along the rest.   You may require more than one coat to cover adequately, but each one is applied in the same way.  I'm not suggesting that no touching up of the beading will be required, but I do this in between each coat in the panels with a bow pen.  This is how I do mine on 2MM scale CR coaches starting here.


    BTW, the 'inner window frames' which @Compound2632 mentions are termed bolections and were Varnished mahogany on CR coaches.



    Thanks, this is sort of the method I was trying though I think my paint was thicker than you are suggesting. 

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  7. 4 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:


    Looking at the blurry photos of photos posted here,

    together with the second photo in your post above; I'd say that the window surrounds ought to be cream but there are inner window frames that are brown, or perhaps varnished wood. It seems that your etched sides don't quite reproduce this, so there may need to be an element of compromise. Perhaps you'd be better off with the French grey livery?

    Better off with French grey. I keep thinking that as the livery gets more and more complicated. But then where would we be without a challenge. 

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  8. Thanks for your take on it. I just feel I am missing something as my side, ( yet to be cleaned up), seems to be too brown. That is the colour which hits me first, where as in the photos I see a lot more cream. 

    if so what of what is brown on the model should also be cream? A line under the windows? If so how does that relate to the panels and the uprights? 
    any thoughts gratefully received. This might be why some modelers do not paint their carriages, it saves these questions needing to be raised. 

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  9. Thanks, standard practice to have firsts at the London end for most railways.

    now I have another issue. Looking at painting. How long do carriages carry a paint job?

    I ask because I can find pictures in French grey and brown and in varnished wood, but am struggling to find definitive pictures in brown and cream. Built 1900 ish. Brown and cream comes in 1903/4 so too early for a repaint but varnished wood from 1910 so would they make the jump from first livery to third? 10 years between reprints?

    what I thought of as brown and cream have cream below the windows but not on the raised uprights between the paneling, and yet that is all one piece of wood,(nominally). Do these photos just show dirty caught in the panel edges? 
    this one even has one carriage with more brown. Aaaaaah. 

    this is definitely in brown and cream era because of carriages in front of it, but which livery are they in?


    are there and definitely brown and cream images out there?

    I should not think about this just before I go to bed. Milling it around all night.


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  10. 1 hour ago, James Harrison said:

    I've had good results lining carriages with one of these:




    The raised beading on a panelled carriage side makes for a fairly easy guide to get a ruler on to guide it.  

    That is a great find. As I don’t smoke the lighter fluid would need to be found. Could be a fun experiment. And at just over thirty smackers not an outrageous purchase. 
    thank you


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  11. Please do show it here too. I have spare hinges if you want, though to be honest scrap etch folded into an L shape world work just as well. I also have dimensions for the truss rodding and a spare bow end if they are of use. The brake end depends on when you want to model. From flat and no corridor to corridor with ladders then corridor with steps. 
    It is looking good so far. 
    from what research I have done, ( which just scratches the surface), it appears that there might have been handed brakes, with some having corridor on the right and some on left. This might be a load of rubbish though. 

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  12. Thanks. That intrigues me as to what colour that forms. Hobby craft near me have/ had humbrol paint but had a sign up before lockdown saying they were discontinuing selling them, some had run out. I must look at a humbrol chart to see which these two are. 
    There was a little part of me which wanted there to be a pen I could use of the right sort of colour,( yellowish), and guaranteeing the width of the lines. I do have a bow pen but have never been successful i drawing one line on a flat surface, never mind on an edge round a corner. 

  13. The two different liveries. 

    french grey and brown and cream and brown. First coat/ or part applied. 
    french grey is just masking off and cover. 
    cream and brown, I have been advised to both, cream, mask and then brown, or brown and infill the cream. I am trying option 2 which so far looks to have potential.

    the gold line surrounding the cream will be harder. 
    what colour do people use to represent gold lining? 
    any advice gratefully received, thanks for looking,


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  14. My uncle worked in the navy. Got on a train in Scotland having agreed with my father that he would pick him up in York. Train came into York, no uncle appeared. Phone call several hours later, “ I am in London I will get the next train to York.” 
    train met, no uncle appeared. 
    phoe call several hours later, “ I am in Edinburgh I will get the next train to York.” 
    this time he made it.

    He had slept through missing the stop each time. It clearly had been a very tiring tour at sea. Thank heavens ticket collector’s were on platforms at the time as it was all done on a single” to York” ticket.


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  15. 14 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said:

    Hi Richard,


    I suspect that this is because Clive was not a lady in his younger days, unless there is something considerably worse than the GWR that we do not yet know of !!!!!!



    Be afraid........very afraid.

    are we brave enough to ask what the answer to that question is? Can there really be something more terrifying than those three letters. 

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  16. 5 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

    Just in case anyone thinks this thread takes itself too seriously at times, three delightfully-absurd Norman Turner wagons..................




    A flying pig van. The pigs inside actually whirl around, activated by an ingenious series of rods and cams. 


    I love the couplings!




    And a funny play on words.




    And one for the real 'hair shirts'.


    I'm amazed what I'm finding on some of these discs.....................







    There was a rivet counter detector van too. 

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  17. The brown is on.


    it turns out 7 carriages is shade too many for one can of spray paint. Ahhhhh. How to get another can during lock down. Nearest one I know 17 miles away on click and collect. That’s not local. Why did I only buy one can? I have pots of paint so might look to brush pain the parts which look thin.

    I also hear you ask, why not tape the roof, it was white to start with. True but I have not decided on white or grey roofs. And it is easier to tape the body rather than the roof, and the paint needs a couple of days to harden before taping or it will lift. Remember the shed is only mine for a couple of days of occupation. It is also due to rain/ snow tonight so the air would get too damp to paint. 

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