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You say that every time you build an outside framed loco. it is the modeling equivalent of the drunk swearing they will not drink again after another particularly heavy night. Richard

Not if they were born in the 70s. Which means only those in their sixties and above might. pedant mode on. richard

Orange peel. That is partly due to the temperature at the time of paint setting once applied. I should know I have an a2/3 which i was too eager to paint in winter. richard

Lockers are a small luggage compartment which would normally also have a guards compartment. In the cases of a locker that guard compartment is not there. richard

Charwelton is a real location and when building the model, we modeled what was there. The tall signal was there so we made sure it was on the model. whether it was difficult to sight we left to the 12 inch to the foot people. richard

No trophy alas, but the sample of the colour her ladyship wants the kitchen counter top to be. I had to have an opinion. Fortunately I guessed right and agreed with her. richard

I have beaten these into some semblance of use. The front bogie and the cylinder block. The slide bars had to be reversed. I might have to fill the side to make it flush. It is now 2 layers thick, it is provided with only one internal layer on the cross head etch. I can see some more scratchbuilding coming on. perhaps faster progress can be made now. richard

Or make from solid plastic and file to shape. or make a former from word and bend metal sheet to shape over them. if you make the carriage separate at the solebars then short screws can be used to joint the roof tow cross piece and the interior can continue to be fitted. richard

The cylinder structure needed altering as it was too narrow. I need to check it all lines up once the soldering is done. I need the cross head to slide parallel to the running plate. I still need to solve the fact that the cutout is on the wrong section to line up with the chassis. I doubt feedback will get the etch changed but perhaps this might log what needs to be done to make it work. If I can make it all come together properly. richard

thank you I was starting to think along those lines. The indents in the front end of the cylinder was throwing me. I also need to work out if the semi circle goes to the inside or outside of the cylinder. if I fit a piston rod tube I can make it sit proud to look like the exit from the cylinder. also for the piston rod. Should I use .7 or .9 brass rod? What diameter is a piston rod in real life? If correctly scaled will that still have enough engineering integrity? richard ps I do not think the slide bar supports do not line up with the cylinder end slots. I am more and more convinced that this etch did not have a test build, and if it did it was not in 4mm.

The next puzzle. how is all this supposed to work. Firstly I can see if I make the slots bigger I could perhaps rotate it over one of the cylinder ends. It then how to the move it over the second. Cylinder end. Without bending it. then I am assuming the cross members get cut otherwise the cross head will not be able to slide and the connecting rod would clash with the cross pieces. ideas? I just don’t want to cut them off if they are going to be needed some how. I hope this makes sense. richard

I will watch through eBay searches. I have no time for people like that. no words we say can ease the pain of having such treasured possessions taken. in our thought richard

No hijacking of the thread. it is all interesting and useful. thanks for the photos Tony. It shows I should not have tried so hard to get the lifting lugs at 90 degrees. It also shows that the front box behind the wheel is much shallower and rounded that I imagined. As for the detail on the side of the water filler. Looks very feasible with overlays and archer rivet transfers. Perhaps on the next tender. richard

Butler henderson’s tender help? has anyone climbed up on top of the tender to take a photo of all the gear? any one passing by barrow ( where it is?) to see what it is like. I know there is not a standard gcr tender but…. as an interesting aside it is noticeable how much more we have to say about locos than the carriages they pull. Me included. It shows how loco centric railway enthusiasts are in the main. ( myself included) I have to be disciplined with myself to build the carriages I need rather than another loco. richard

Thank you. I do have that book and it was one of the drawings I referenced. Though which to judge as more correct than the other without others opinions has been more guess work than I would have wanted. I will consider all the advice. I do not need to plan straight away as I have the loco to build. Another mine field awaits. richard

Thanks for your thoughts Tony. Do you know what, in all the studying I did to try and “get it right” I never counted the coal rails. Such a simple thing but it was one of the few pieces on the etch so I was happy I did not have to make them up, I never checked them. I should have. A “simple” fix might be to lose the top one, but not if that makes the coal rails too short in height. I will measure. As for moving the rails. They are soldered in under other parts so I am unlikely to move them and will just try and get it right on the next one..,,and ones after that. thanks again richard

Hope Covid treats you kindly. hopefully you get some modeling time and don’t have to withdraw to bed for days on end. here is as far as I have got with my GCR Atlantic much debate on my thread as to how accurate I have made it. I am happy with the build quality and detail which has been scratchbuilt. richard

True but with much more complicated metal work as has been alluded to. Also I have some built that way and do have less in some tenders. Just on this one I decided it would be more heavily laden. sound points being made here. Robinson was one for the importance of how things looked. He was also a practical man, I can just envision the debate in his head between balanced looks and practical concerns. It looks like first one and then the other won. The shape of the coal space makes a great point about axle loading. Important to consider as coal and water were used at different rates. I should ask you questions much more often before I start a build. thank you both for your input richard

The model looks really good too. richard

Would like to but decided a while back to take advantage of the longer break and have some time away. another time. I am in the uk though so logistically easier than some. richard

Tank top sloping. True, but this expedience is because it saves coal which would only be used to fill it up anyway. richard

I hummed and Ahhhed over a lot of the details as I know just looking at photos might not be enough as there is not a generic gcr tender. It is my best assumption based on studying drawings from various sources including gcr originals and photographs. I know that what was planned in the drawing office did not always appear that way in practice, hence the photo checking. at this point it is staying as it is because when I looked in detail before soldering them on I convinced myself that was their most likely position. It has been a while now so I can’t remember what persuaded me. Now they are on I am very unlikely to change them unless massively definitive evidence comes to light. lazy modeling maybe, but I still need to build 10 locos in the queue and 20 carriages plus 10 wagons. At the rate I build this is enough to occupy many years. I suppose that’s why we are advised not to model based off a model. richard

Tender finished. The parts made from plasticard and putty fitted. it will be properly cleaned up when it goes in to the paint shop with the loco eventually. I have decided I will need another tender which I will take from a d11 kit I have which is unlikely to be built as there are many classes without rtr offerings. So I will be using it as a source of parts. richard

The gcr 4-6-2 tanks were normally called the coronation tanks. From when this country had to crown new monarchs as they only lasted 10 - 25 years on the throne.

Change it to god’s county and it would fit. richard