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Thanks both.
I do have more of the kit, I just thought that these bits were most relevant to the discussion. I have the clearstory sides but no roof so will have to make that.
for clarity Bill when you say that it should not have the paneling around the alarm gear, that is because you are saying it should not have alarm gear?I have an end with steps but no alarm gear so could use that.
thanks James for the Dow reference. I am cautious of his diagrams as I have found detail anomalies with others as I look at photos of the carriages through their life, so if the photo shows a plain end then he has drawn that, perhaps without considering the other end. Don’t get me wrong, a great resource but a starting point. I should have done more research before packing this as my traveling project.many thanks Richard
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58 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:
I don't know the prototype, so I might be talking out of my hat, but the grab rails look a little chunky.
Yes but most likely the limits of 3d printing.
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2 hours ago, James Harrison said:
There's a three-quarter view of van #520 in Dow volume 3 showing a blank panelled end. There's also a drawing of the corridor version likewise showing blank panelled ends.
Which end is definitely blank paneled? The one away from the single door or at the single door end. As I said away from my books at present.
does the drawing say both ends blank panel?
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Atlantics parked for a while as away from the work bench.
have been able to take this perseverance kit with me for the full brake, clearstory and all.it comes with 4 ends. But which to use? Bill suggests no windows and steps but could not post picture on the lner forum. Am away from my books too.
so picture here for anyone who has built one, which ends to use?
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your Sacre GC loco (for which I scratch-built the frames - do you recall not being able to get it to run well?)
yes Tony. You had stern words with it, swore twice and threatened it with an unpleasant afterlife and then it decided to play nicely for you.
thank you. I clearly did not swear enough at it.
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35 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:
An interesting exercise, but one I'm very unlikely to repeat in the future.
You say that every time you build an outside framed loco.
it is the modeling equivalent of the drunk swearing they will not drink again after another particularly heavy night.Richard
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52 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:
Don Rogers came from Swindon. All Spurs fan will remember his performance in the 1969 League Cup Final.
Not if they were born in the 70s. Which means only those in their sixties and above might.
pedant mode on.
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Orange peel. That is partly due to the temperature at the time of paint setting once applied. I should know I have an a2/3 which i was too eager to paint in winter.
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Lockers are a small luggage compartment which would normally also have a guards compartment. In the cases of a locker that guard compartment is not there.
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Charwelton is a real location and when building the model, we modeled what was there. The tall signal was there so we made sure it was on the model.
whether it was difficult to sight we left to the 12 inch to the foot people.
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No trophy alas, but the sample of the colour her ladyship wants the kitchen counter top to be. I had to have an opinion. Fortunately I guessed right and agreed with her.
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I have beaten these into some semblance of use. The front bogie and the cylinder block. The slide bars had to be reversed. I might have to fill the side to make it flush. It is now 2 layers thick, it is provided with only one internal layer on the cross head etch. I can see some more scratchbuilding coming on.
perhaps faster progress can be made now.
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Or make from solid plastic and file to shape.
or make a former from word and bend metal sheet to shape over them.
if you make the carriage separate at the solebars then short screws can be used to joint the roof tow cross piece and the interior can continue to be fitted.
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The cylinder structure needed altering as it was too narrow. I need to check it all lines up once the soldering is done. I need the cross head to slide parallel to the running plate.
I still need to solve the fact that the cutout is on the wrong section to line up with the chassis.
I doubt feedback will get the etch changed but perhaps this might log what needs to be done to make it work. If I can make it all come together properly.richard
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thank you
I was starting to think along those lines. The indents in the front end of the cylinder was throwing me. I also need to work out if the semi circle goes to the inside or outside of the cylinder.
if I fit a piston rod tube I can make it sit proud to look like the exit from the cylinder.also for the piston rod. Should I use .7 or .9 brass rod? What diameter is a piston rod in real life? If correctly scaled will that still have enough engineering integrity?
richard
ps I do not think the slide bar supports do not line up with the cylinder end slots. I am more and more convinced that this etch did not have a test build, and if it did it was not in 4mm.
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The next puzzle.
how is all this supposed to work. Firstly I can see if I make the slots bigger I could perhaps rotate it over one of the cylinder ends. It then how to the move it over the second. Cylinder end. Without bending it.
then I am assuming the cross members get cut otherwise the cross head will not be able to slide and the connecting rod would clash with the cross pieces.
ideas?
I just don’t want to cut them off if they are going to be needed some how.
I hope this makes sense.
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I will watch through eBay searches.
I have no time for people like that.
no words we say can ease the pain of having such treasured possessions taken.
in our thoughtrichard
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No hijacking of the thread. it is all interesting and useful.
thanks for the photos Tony. It shows I should not have tried so hard to get the lifting lugs at 90 degrees. It also shows that the front box behind the wheel is much shallower and rounded that I imagined.
As for the detail on the side of the water filler. Looks very feasible with overlays and archer rivet transfers. Perhaps on the next tender.
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Butler henderson’s tender help?
has anyone climbed up on top of the tender to take a photo of all the gear?
any one passing by barrow ( where it is?) to see what it is like. I know there is not a standard gcr tender but….as an interesting aside it is noticeable how much more we have to say about locos than the carriages they pull. Me included. It shows how loco centric railway enthusiasts are in the main. ( myself included) I have to be disciplined with myself to build the carriages I need rather than another loco.
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Thank you. I do have that book and it was one of the drawings I referenced. Though which to judge as more correct than the other without others opinions has been more guess work than I would have wanted.
I will consider all the advice. I do not need to plan straight away as I have the loco to build. Another mine field awaits.richard
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Thanks for your thoughts Tony. Do you know what, in all the studying I did to try and “get it right” I never counted the coal rails. Such a simple thing but it was one of the few pieces on the etch so I was happy I did not have to make them up, I never checked them. I should have. A “simple” fix might be to lose the top one, but not if that makes the coal rails too short in height. I will measure.
As for moving the rails. They are soldered in under other parts so I am unlikely to move them and will just try and get it right on the next one..,,and ones after that.
thanks againrichard
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Hope Covid treats you kindly.
hopefully you get some modeling time and don’t have to withdraw to bed for days on end.here is as far as I have got with my GCR Atlantic
much debate on my thread as to how accurate I have made it. I am happy with the build quality and detail which has been scratchbuilt.
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4 hours ago, Caley Jim said:
But if you sloped it down you could model a lesser coal load after the loco had done a few turns of its roster since leaving the shed.
Jim
True but with much more complicated metal work as has been alluded to. Also I have some built that way and do have less in some tenders. Just on this one I decided it would be more heavily laden.
3 hours ago, gr.king said:Only the central part of the tank top slopes down toward the shovelling hole in the Parker, Pollitt and Robinson tender designs, the sides of the tank top reach the front coal plate at full height, level with the rear of the tank top, so the tank is something of a square-edged horseshoe shape with a wide central slot for the coal. Hence, on the visibly rivetted Parker 3000 gallon tenders, and on the visibly rivetted Pollitt 4000 gallon tenders there was NO tell-tale line of sloping rivets in the tank sides, and as Robinson required his rivets to be flush there were two reasons why his tenders showed no such rivets. Ivatt and Gresley tenders on the GNR were provided with tanks of a similar shape. Older tender designs and those for other railways may well have had a full-width coal space, putting all or most of the coal towards the front, and the water to the rear (not necessarily good for balancing weight across the three axles) but Stirling's older wood-framed tenders of that type for the GNR, visible rivets and all, still did not necessarily have a sloping line of rivets in the sides.
Whether one would "not expect" coal rails to extend much behind the rear coal plate is neither here nor there, since drawings and photographs show that MS&LR / GCR tenders built before about 1915 definitely did have the coal rails or side coal plates extending some way aft of the rear coal plate, and conversely NOT reaching all the way to the ends of the front coal plate. Where they curved down at the front there was thus something of an "open top corner" which would limit the scope for heaping coal up without spillage at the very front of the tender. After that time, practicality seems to have over-ruled the apparent desire to make the sides of the tender look reasonably symmetrical, and the side coal plates on new tenders then extended further forwards.
sound points being made here. Robinson was one for the importance of how things looked. He was also a practical man, I can just envision the debate in his head between balanced looks and practical concerns. It looks like first one and then the other won. The shape of the coal space makes a great point about axle loading. Important to consider as coal and water were used at different rates.
I should ask you questions much more often before I start a build.thank you both for your input
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2 hours ago, Michael Edge said:
Thanks, the painting looks really good.
The model looks really good too.
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Dettingen GCR might have been layout
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Most useful. Have seen them.
thank you.