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  1. Although none of my points were bought second hand I did reuse some of them from a former layout following a house move. From the comments above it's quite likely they suffered as a result, although no damage was apparent. But subsequent problems have now lead me to conclude that reusing points isn't necessarily a good idea! So whilst really appreciating all the advise I've been given here unfortunately nothing really worked, so reluctantly I have decided enough is enough and I am replacing all the faulty points with new ones. I have decided to stick with Peco code 75 electrofrog points mainly because the track already laid is Peco code 75 and I don't know of any other viable alternatives. All I'm hoping for is trouble free running with the minimum of complications. Reliabilty and simplicity are my top priority so I can at long last get back to enjoying my railway modelling once again instead of the frustration and inactivity I have recently endured. Unfortunately it looks like I'm in for a bit of a wait before I'll be able to achieve that because everyone appears to be out of stock of the particular points I'm after at the moment due no doubt to the virus interrupting production. So my pre-order is now with Hattons awaiting developments.
  2. It's reassuring that I've connected the DCC80 correctly. I'm pretty sure that I did cut the correct wires on the underside of the points and soldered wires between the stock and closure rails, both as recommended by Peco. But I really don't seem to be getting any closer to a solution to enable the points to work correctly.
  3. I had assumed that the 'thin' end of the point equated to the heel of a foot and the other end where it the rails diverge was the 'thick' or toe end of a foot! But I'm quite happy to be corrected. So does that mean that the DC80 leads should be attached to the other 'frog' end of the point, or whatever we call it?
  4. This shows where I cut the wires on the points. I agree that power doesn't seem to be reaching the frogs. Assuming I cut the right wires is there any other explanation? k
  5. I really do appreciate all the helpful suggestions everyone has made, but regrettably I'm no further forward. I've spent quite a bit of time testing all my droppers to ensure that power is reaching every part of my track and I've added a number to be absolutely sure. The attached plan shows where all the track feeds are. Maybe a bit of overkill, but I didn't want to leave anything to chance. Sadly nothing has improved. As before most of the points will only work properly one way (shown by the green arrows on the plan, the red arrows show the direction in which locos stall on the points). The problem seems to be that only one part of the frog is getting power and so the loco stalls in exactly the same place on virtually every point when set one way but not the other. The arrows on the following picture show the offending parts of the point I'm talking about. I've used my voltage tester to confirm this is the case. I use these Gaugemaster DCC80 autofrogs on all 14 of my points: The orange and white wires are soldered to the heel of each point (these are colour coded to correspond to the power leads to the track) and the blue wire is attached to the wire from the frog of the Peco electofrog point. As an experiment I reversed the orange and white wires on one offending point and discovered that whereas before the point would only allow the loco to cross one way, but not the other, the situation was now reversed. So for example, when the point when is set straight it allowed the loco to move smoothly across, but the loco stalled when the point was changed to the other direction. Reversing the wires on the autofrog reversed the problem. Now the loco stalls going straight across, but moves unhindered when turning off. I'm sure this is significant, but I haven't any idea wheat to do about it! Having spent a ridiculous amount of time on this problem and not being able to enjoy using my layout at all I'd appreciate any useful suggestions as to where I go from here.
  6. Thanks, in fact that's what I have done. So now to try and get to the bottom of the problem I'm replacing the layout wiring with the aim of simplifying it and hopefully eliminating the problems. Sounds drastic but I'm desperate!
  7. There doesn't seem to be any way to check if the polarity has actually been changed by the DCC80, or indeed if it is working at all. I've long suspected frog polarity might be a cause of the problem. But how can I tell?
  8. Your friend's experience sounds suspiciously like my own. I've tried all the tips suggested so far , plus a few ideas of my own, but with zero results. I had already colour coded all my wiring, but before I totally lose my mind and rip up all the points in frustration I will try systematically going through all the wiring and see if that makes a difference and if necessary rewire it totally. I could understand one or two points playing up, but 11 out of 14 is just ridiculous! It seems most likely that I must have something fundamentally wrong with the wiring, If not then I'm absolutely stumped. Thanks for all the helpful suggestions. I'll report back on progress.
  9. Thanks for the tips re the SEEPS (which I have found to be a bit unreliable in some cases) and cleaning the blades. I'll take another look at both. What I find particularly frustrating though is that many many years ago when I first had a layout I used very unsophisticated technology - DC, insulated frog points and coarser grade track and had none of the problems I'm currently experiencing, or maybe that's just rosy tinted retrospection!
  10. Thanks for the suggestion, locos do stall on the frogs, but usually only when going one way and not when switched the other way. I'll certainly try swapping the DCC 80 feed wires around though.
  11. Thanks for getting in touch. I've used insulated rail joiners as shown in the following picture. Is this what you meant?
  12. I'm being driven to despair my the refusal of virtually all the points on my layout work properly. Out of 14 just 3 are working as they should. Can anyone please suggest what I'm doing wrong? I am using DCC control and 00 scale Peco Code 75 electrofrog points powered by Seep motors. I have taken great care to prepare all the points as recommended: soldering wires between the stock and closure rails, cutting the wires connecting both the rails to the frog and connecting the single wire from the frog to Gaugemaster DCC80 Autofrogs. I've also used insulated rail joiners to isolate frog rails where points face each other. According to everything I've read and all the You Tube videos I've watched the points should now work faultlessly, but they don't! In almost every case a loco will cross the point one way, but not when the point is switched the other way, stalling mid point. I've used a track tester and there's nothing wrong with the power supply to the rails which I've cleaned very thoroughly. I hope the schematic diagram below may help. The points are numbered 1 to 14. Those highlighted in green are OK, those in red aren't. I've tried to show by way of green arrows the direction individual ponts work OK and red arrows the direction in which points don't work (if that makes sense!). I'm clearly doing something wrong, any suggestions what will be very welcome.
  13. Mine worked just fine. And as a bonus I spotted myself in the crowd looking at one of the layouts!
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