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  1. 35 minutes ago, Miss Prism said:

     

    I was looking at the pics of W6265W (page 100) and W251W (page 124) of Harris 2nd edition, but most of the preserved examples do seem to be just numerals (followed by a strange yellow circle).

     

     

    Not on W251 (but note painted dimensions data panel):—

     

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    W6265W:—

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    I agree that there's something going on with the disc, but not with the numbers.

     

    Single numbers make more sense to me than bespoke plates as it's just simpler. The GW were "penny conscious" so sending an order to the foundry for a couple of buckets of twos & zeros would be less wasteful.

     

    The Strange Yellow Circle is a route restriction symbol. Details as per @The Stationmaster's post. Centenary & Ocean Saloons at 9'-3" were Red Triangle & restricted to a very few routes. The examples I've seen were all cast (without a backing plate) & held on by three countersunk screws.

     

    Pete S.

     

     

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  2. 2 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

    I think the numerals are cast ones. Don't know when they first appeared - is it a Collett-ism? By Hawksworth days, they had a thin backing plate.

     

     

     

    Sometime during the Lake era was the best I came up with - probably post WW1. They're cast iron & screwed direct onto the panels - I've never seen any with a backing plate.

     

    Pete S.

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  3. On 08/12/2023 at 00:31, KeithMacdonald said:

     

    Simple photo-editing innit?

    Small rectangle copied from the bottom-middle section.

    Then pasted on top of what was the "E" at the end of "kill only time".

     

    Link to original: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fl42jl2m5u5l71.jpg

     

    I don't see any sign of photoshoppery, but I do see a little tag that may have once held an E.

     

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    Also... look beyond the letters (maann). There's a building behind the photographer that's reflecting in the glass & it too appears to be unmolested.

     

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  4. 1 hour ago, KeithMacdonald said:

    This sign is driving me whacky, I can't read what it says.

    The top one is something like

    "Old Drovers Route to Feagour Maggar Road"

    The bottom one?

    Something about

    "The old right of way is no longer approved as ??? over the whole of its length ???"

     

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    It's here:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@56.9472982,-4.243696,3a,15y,248.23h,85.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slsiXoKTZjRI71dZMqayWCw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu

     

     

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    Source

     

    Personally, I'd keep to the road & beware of the moon.

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  5. On 25/09/2023 at 09:45, Combe Martin said:

     

    The 2 pictures of SR 4409 are both bogus.  SR 4409 was a United Dairies/Unigate tanker not Express Dairies or CO-OP.  The liveries themselves are not bogus, just not on SR 4409.  This seems to be a preservation era Faux Par.

     

     

    The Express Dairies livery was originally applied purely because there were good reference photos in one of Russell's wagon books. IIRC it carried a fleet number "42" as Hitch Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy was all the rage at the time. The ED error was repeated when I repainted & re-lettered it as someone (possibly the late John Hosegood) had talked ED's marketing department into funding the whole enterprise. Part of that funding was a requirement to apply their new logo to the tank ends.

     

    If we'd known it had been a UD tanker at the time, things may have been different (subject to getting sponsorship).

     

    A similar deal led to O.11 19818 wearing Foster Yeoman livery for a while - they stumped up for all the timber.

     

    Pete Speller.

    C&W Dept.,

    GWS Didcot (lapsed)

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  6. 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said:

     

    I got sent a pic that illustrates this.

     

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    I have not noticed the lower set (with the extra black perimeter and a reduced yellow volume), at least on ex-GWR locos/tenders, even those in green. I'll try to keep an eye out for further pics.

     

    It could be a non-Swindon variant.

     

    Fox are generally trustworthy, so they must have got the lower style from somewhere.

     

     

    It doesn't show up in photos as the black keyline is only 1/16" for the 5" lettering & 1/8" for the later 9".

     

    I don't know if the BR variant was hand painted or if transfers were manufactured. If they were hand-painted, there's a sporting chance that the black keyline was omitted as it's a right fiddle to do. GW transfers certainly had it - see surviving originals on 4003, 4073, 2516  & 9400.

     

    Pete S.

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  7. 10 hours ago, jim.snowdon said:

    But would its owner have gone so far as to unplate the body framing and verandah?

     

    No/Yes. The verandah got done in unplaned softwood, the bodyside panels were left alone - replacing these is likely to be a major job, as they're usually a bit more involved than mere steel cladding.

     

    10 hours ago, jim.snowdon said:

    The answer, I suspect, is 'unlikely', but then, who can tell.

     

    Me for one, I remember seeing it happening - c.1990-1992 ish.

     

    Pete S.

     

    C&W Dept. GWS Didcot (Lapsed).

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  8. Although earlier, this might help:

     

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    "A Polarity Changer, of simple form, is embodied in the dynamo; it ensures the same polarity or direction of current for both directions of running. The brush-holder, O, at each side of the dynamo is mounted on an arm that runs out parallel with the shaft of the machine; and this arm, carrying a contact plate, M, at its end, is attached to a rocker, D (which forms the armature of an electro-magnetic clutch), allowing it to rock through a small angle in either direction of rotation.

    "When the dynamo starts, the friction of the brushes on the commutator carries the rocker over until the contact plates rest against the two switchboard brushes, L (one above and one below the line of the shaft), mounted on the small switchboard, N, at the end of the dynamo; this completes the circuits of the field magnet and the clutch coil. As the speed of the dynamo increases, it excites itself and also energises the clutch coil, E, which then holds the brush rocker firmly over, and ensures good contact between the contact plates and the switchboard brushes. At the stopping of the dynamo, the clutch is not released until the field current has fallen to zero; so there is no sparking at the contacts of the automatic polarity-changer."

    (Source: The "Liliput" Dynamo – General Instructions, J. Stone & Co, 1927)

     

    Pete S.

  9. 14 hours ago, billbedford said:

    So.... were the horizontal vacuum sacks a Webb invention?

    He held the patent, so fairly safe to say that.

     

    691/1878. Improvements in brake apparatus for railway vehicles. Applied 20 February 1878. Accepted 19 August 1878.
    Actuating brakes by differential pistons and cylinders, or differential bellows, or like apparatus, where the pressure or partial vacuum acts in one direction simultaneously on both pistons or bellows and when this pressure or vacuum ceases to act, the pistons or bellows re-act in consequence of the pressure or vacuum reserved in one of the cylinders or bellows.

    From: https://www.steamindex.com/people/webb.htm

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  10. 12 hours ago, Dave John said:

    Is the big horizontal vac cylinder ex L+Y , or based on a L+Y design ? 

     

    During the 1930s the LMS were converting ex CR Grampian corridor coaches to vac brakes. The simple solution was to use a double ended vac cylinder of L+Y origin to replace the double ended westinghouse cylinder.

     

    The build instructions from Caley coaches notes that the L+Y wagon works at Newton Heath was closed in 1930 with surplus parts being moved to St Rollox. If they are the same type then they continued in use until the late  1950s, albeit on coaching stock.

     

    From "Railway Carriages & Wagons: Their Design & Construction (Sidney Stone, M.I.Mech.E. 1903):—

     

    In this brake the vacuum is created by an ejector and maintained by a pump like the Great Western brake, but while most of the parts are mechanically entirely different the same result is obtained, and carriages fitted with this brake intermix in the same train with carriages fitted with either of the other vacuum brakes without any trouble.

    This brake was designed by Mr. F. W. Webb, chief mechanical engineer of the L. and North Western R.

     

    LNWR Sack Brake.pdf

     

    The story I've heard was that Webb threw the Westinghouse rep out on his ear after the latter suggested that Webb could benefit personally if he adopted their Patented brake - presumably getting a cut of the royalties.

    I'd guess that the Sack Brake was a royalty-free solution, rather like the Armstrong/Churchward 'Dean Dustbin' which didn't infringe on the Automatic Vacuum Brake Co's patent.

     

    What system did the L&Y use?

     

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