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A semaphore distant at caution simply means "be prepared to stop at the next stop signal, or other specified place to which the distant signal applies", to quote the current Rule Book (Handbook RS521 section 3.1). A UK driver would not recognise the expression "block signal".
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For Pendon's poles I used Express Models insulators (three thousand of them) on arms made from 1 mm square plastic strip, and poles made from brass rod. The crucial aspect is to cut the slots in the poles at precisely regular intervals so that the arms are evenly spaced- get that wrong and they look a mess. Results are in the eye of the beholder. Step irons and arm braces have not been modelled as (along with the wires themselves) if they were visible they would be overscale. It's possible that guy wires may be added some day, if I live long enough.
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On 15/05/2023 at 19:08, The Stationmaster said:
Not an exact replacement by any means as that line was originally the Up Goods with a substantial number of connections from the yard plus a facing connection. to the Up Main. The nearest signal to that site was probably an ordinary straight post signal with a 3ft arm and maybe at one time had a Goods 'ring' on the arm - and no lower arm distant for Banbury South.
I think that signal replaced the disc which can be seen (partly) covered up here. The one alongside was a direct semaphore replacement. Here they are when new, January 1980:
Apologies for the poor quality of the picture, but at least it was taken from a genuine GWR vehicle:
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That was formerly the City shop of Fox, the umbrella manufacturers, which explains the reference to repairs and recoverings.
https://www.foxumbrellas.com/pages/fox-umbrellas-ltd
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On 14/04/2023 at 22:02, 30851 said:
Mention of the LNWR reminded me that I have a copy of "Track Diagrams of the LNWR and its successors - Section 5 Northamptonshire" by R Foster and M Instone. This shows the different layouts in that area from the 1870's up to 1980. I have never seen any reference to any other volume in this series so no clue if Section 1 to 4 ever existed.
Rob
They have not appeared so far.
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It's definitely Fambridge (Wrotten End) and Southminster, see here:
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I had a similar email, and phoned Kernow as I have no current orders with them. The very helpful chap apologised and said that something had gone wrong and a large number of emails had been sent out in error (note that the consignment ref is "ignore email"), and should be disregarded.
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2 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:
I don't know how many volumes Cooke's "Track Layout Diagrams of the GWR and BR(WR)" ran to, but I have Section 36 (Ross ,Monmouth & Chepstow), third edition 1998, so it was certainly extensive and available fairly late.
I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. Cooke's GWR Track diagrams runs to volume 61 (and is still being added to, now published by Lightmoor Press). Pryer's SR track diagrams stopped at volume 10, back in 1987, and George Pryer died in 2004.
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3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:
The Pryer series of booklets was entitled "Signal Box Diagrams of the Great Western & Southern Railways", published in numerous volumes (A4 paper back about 50 pages each) by the late George Pryer himself, and includes details of signalling, with annotations of (some) historical changes, eg dates that a crossover or sidings were removed. They also include notes as the architectural style of the box (SRS classifications), the type of lever frame or block instruments, where known and whether or not the box was provided with a closing switch to allow through trains to be run when the box was unmanned overnight.
The similar Cooke series does not show signalling details, just the layout of the track (often at two or three different dates) but is to scale whereas the Pryer series is purely diagrammatic. The author includes Clinker (and others of course) in the credits for his sources.
That is all true, but @C126 was correct in his reference to
Quotethe (incomplete) series of S.R. track diagrams by G. A. Pryer, 'Track layout diagrams of the Southern Railway and B.R. (S.R.)', Harwell : R. A. Cooke, 1980-1987. V.4 (of 10) is Portsmouth (and area, I assume), but I have yet to see a copy.
These take a 'historical' perspective, illustrating a track layout's history, indicating sidings, crossings, etc., with date of installation and removal where possible.
This is an earlier publication, entirely separate from the signalbox diagrams, and published by Cooke alongside his own set of GWR track plans. The set I have covers the whole of the ex-LSWR lines in nine volumes, but it then stopped at Vol.10 (West Sussex).
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OK, thanks. Perhaps you should supply it ready-weathered as the shiny white roof doesn't really work for a vehicle that must have been at least six years away from its last repaint 🙂
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1 hour ago, rprodgers said:
You are looking at the BR transitional one .
The GW versions are lower down.
No, I'm looking at the 1930s GWR version with the white roof and shirtbutton monogram, which is numbered W2780.
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Why does the GWR version have a W in front of the running number?
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If you were at the Great Central Railway on Saturday 14th January, and witnessed an accident in which a passenger was injured after falling from a carriage door at Loughborough, please consider contacting the Rail Accident Investigation Branch:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/raib-witness-appeal-loughborough
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12 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:
Thanks for the reminder Miss P. I remember the profgramme from when it was first shown - and several repeats since then - buy I wonder just how much of what was shown as still greei and pleasant in 1973 is still like it today? I have a very nasty feeling that 50 years from then an awful lot of many things shown in that film aren't there now.
It's years since i walked around the remnants of the Wembley Exhibition site although on reflcation that would only have been a few years after that film was made. A quick look at the area o Google suggests all of that history has been tastlessly trashed in the name of what some people call 'progress'. Nostalgia definitely is not what it used to be and I don't thnk dear old John Betjeman would be at all impressed by the way things are now..
As a lifelong resident of the area I can confidently say that, mainly thanks to the rigidity of Green Belt planning laws, Metroland beyond Harrow has changed very little over the last fifty years. JB would still recognise most of what was included in the original film.
I don't regard the Exhibition buildings at Wembley as being much of a loss- they were cheaply built for their original purpose and it is remarkable that they survived as long as they did. The character of the centre of Wembley has certainly changed- it went right down in the 70s but has since been extensively redeveloped and is, in my view, much better for it. The housing stock has seen a similar trajectory, with variable results. My parents (who both came from Wembley) said that the Sudbury Court estate was jerry-built and wouldn't last, but it is very well-kept and "sought-after" today.
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4 hours ago, t-b-g said:
If one possessive term gets an apostrophe and another doesn't, my little brain just goes "Why is that?".
If the box belonged to someone called It, "It's box" would be correct. 😮
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1 hour ago, Fat Controller said:
No one seems to have commented on the absence of RAIB; I believe they have a statutory obligation to attend any rail accident where serious injury or loss of life has occurred. The cordoning-off, and control of access, was virtually non-existent.
I did say it was
On 24/01/2023 at 10:39, 4069 said:set in a parallel universe that had no relationship to how things are done in real life
and I had the complete absence of RAIB, ORR and BTP, and the pathetic site control mainly in mind. Also worthy of note was that there was not a single example of orange PPE visible. Heritage railways are almost as enthusiastic as Network Rail when it comes to getting staff properly kitted out.
RAIB has a statutory obligation to investigate any collision or derailment that results in death or five or more cases of serious injury, provided there are safety lessons to be learned. They would certainly attend this sort of event, though they might have some difficulty working out why the driver died, given the complete absence of damage to the locomotive and that the train should not have been travelling at more than 25 mph. Apologies if this was explained in the second part of the programme, but I was not sufficiently motivated to watch it.
Stuart J
RAIB (retired)
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12 hours ago, Fat Controller said:
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I watched this for the rail interest, not having been a viewer of Silent Witness before, and frankly it was dreadful. Wooden script and terrible acting, set in a parallel universe that had no relationship to how things are done in real life, and a plot that was just silly.
I presume this used to be a better programme?
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The Midland Railway never had a signal box with a window three panes wide- Dent's should be four wide by three high:
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17 hours ago, The Johnster said:
No, that's the speed limit imposed by their Light Railway Order; the line speed when the branch was part of BR was 70mph, and TTBOMK still is. There are places where the speed is further restricted by permanent speed restrictions to less than 25mph, but the overall line speed is 70mph, and their trains would be permitted to run at that speed if they were to apply successfully for a 'full' Railway Order; such a thing would be prohibitively expensive in terms of track, loco, and rolling stock maintenance and is in any case not necessary for the success of their operation.
It's nothing to do with maintenance standards- the railway would not be permitted to run at more than 25 mph without extensive modifications to rolling stock and signalling. Central locking on all doors, TPWS, data recorders... It would cease to be a heritage railway. The Light Railway Order is irrelevant to operations today, which are governed by the Railways and Other Guided Trnasport Systems (Safety) Regulations 2006, or ROGS: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/599/contents
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12 hours ago, Keegs said:
The coach behind the locomotive is a fifty-eight foot, two inch long, non-corridor toplight brake
The rest of the description seems OK- but that isn't a toplight, it's from the next generation of stock, steel-panelled.
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It had gone by the time of the 1928 edition of the Requirements https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docsummary.php?docID=7409
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The issue was raised in this post:
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The relative proportions of the windows and the panels above them still look wrong, spoiling the look of the whole vehicle. Very disappointing, and I will be cancelling my order.
Siphon spotting
in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype
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The list of corrections has since been published separately as Pannier Supplement No. 1 and is (was?) available from the GWSG.