LNER empty trains collided, service disruptions expected in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!) Posted 58 minutes ago · Edited 57 minutes ago by Hobby 9 hours ago, Ken.W said: And the ECML does still need proper provision for long distance travel We all need that, not just ECML. I see that we are unlikely to agree on this subject and whilst I agree with you with provision for limited stop long distance IC services they are being overtaken more and more by long distance all stops services which encourage a very different type of passenger. Not to mention that today's passenger tends to like to keep their baggage near them, I am sure there are some that don't but they are not the majority from my experience. I hope that EC can hold on to the limited stop trains but I suspect their days are numbered. Anyhow rather than create even more thread drift I feel that it's better we agree to differ. I have plenty of sympathy for what you describe, believe me, but in my world inside the trains I can see we need a different type of IC train for today's passengers, a sort of high speed, maximum seat train which seems to be what they are building these days, for better or for worse... Enjoy your retirement, I am hoping to join you in the next few years if that lot in Westminster don't ruin things completely! On a similar vein I see we are now on page 14 and the facts as we know them haven't changed very much from what we knew on page 3 other than the "railway whispers" going to town so I am going to press the "Ignore Topic" button, but I am still very interested in what actually happened and what the fall out will be, especially for all those new trains, so can someone PM me when the official report is released please and posted up here! Ta!!