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Election dominated by personalities, you say? You ain't seen nuffin' yet:

That's what I would think too, but in the upper of these two photos posted by @Lecorbusier, the tariff brake is the fifth vehicle: That's the only photo I'm aware of that shows either a tariff van or tariff brake van in traffic.

I should add the caveat that, in addition to my inability to type accurately late in the evening, this statement represents my current understanding of how tariff vans and tariff brake vans were used but is not verified in the case of the Midland. Once the Midland Railway Study Centre's website search facility is back up and running, I'll have a hunt - there might be some mention in the Superintendent of the Line's notices, some of which have been digitised. @bbishop, most of what I know about this traffic does come from LSWR and S&DJR sources, though I think it is also well-established that the Great Western had a system of Road Vans, though not specific vehicles for the purpose. I wonder if the use of cupboard doors rather than the usual Midland goods van sliding door has to do with ease and speed of access at wayside stations. My understanding (again based on accounts of LSWR / S&DJR practice) is that this traffic would be handled at the passenger platform. This has implications for the operation of our model railways: a stopping goods train with a tariff van will come to a stand at the passenger platform and then detach wagon-load traffic and shunt into the goods yard - the timetable providing enough time for this, with the rest of the train occupying the running line under the protection of the guard's brake. That's my inference - any direct evidence would be very interesting.

@hmrspaul, I note the Derby Registers reference there, from which I conclude that the similar photo in LNWR Wagons Vol. 1 is DY 15886, both being dated 16 Oct 1929. Out of curiosity, I see you claim copyright on an image in the NRM collection - is the copyright in the particular print that you have purchased from the NRM?

That's one for the dictionary of political insults.

I believe this is LNWR diagram 103, built from 1910 to 1921 - at grouping, there were 5,964 of them. They will all have been built at Ealestown. They seem to have been popular for container traffic in the 1930s - some were converted to have drop sides for this traffic but there are photos of ones with fixed sides like the one in the photo, with a container. Other LMS numbers are in the 20xxxx range. Ref. LNWR Wagons Vol. 1 (C. Northedge, ed. Wild Swan, 2001). If you are going to be doing a lot of wagon spotting, the LNWR Wagons series must be an essential part of your library.

Which Ratio kits do you have in mind? I don't know about MSWJR carriages built new to Midland designs but the ones obtained second hand were Clayton arc roof carriages of the 1880s - the GWR style panelling of the Triang clerestories or Ratio 4-wheelers. The Ratio Midland suburban carriages have Bain's 20th century style of panelling with a noticeably deeper waist panel.

On my monitor, that has a purplish hue - is that the intention? It does look good. Very cast iron.

I've long held the view that no-one older than me should be allowed to vote. Remind me where this political utopia is to be found?

The Midland vans are also tariff vans I believe, D382, and appear to be numbered as such, although half-a-dozen torpedo ventilators could turn them into banana vans, D365. For Lancaster, I'd have thought banana vans unlikely? But one stooping goods train per day each way over every route would include a tariff van for small consignments at goods rates.

I should have specified, live giraffe cars. I'm pretty sure there's a different tariff - livestock rate for live giraffe (horse rate plus 1d/mile per extra yard of neck), parcels rate for stuffed and mounted giraffe.

A train's a train for a' that.

Surely the number is the starting-point?

Pre-grouping goods wagon, lasting until BR freight stock grey and even with preserved examples, and at all periods more numerous and more widely dispersed than this SECR wagon? Midland D362 / D363 16'6" 8 / 10 ton covered goods wagon: Quite a few went into Military service at home depots, which is I believe to provenance of this example at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre, Quainton Road. First examples built 1892.

I shall have to bite the bullet.