thanks for the encouragement little progress of late although i retired i was tempted back into work for a short spell (thats the trouble with railways they work when others are on holidays) still £ to spend, also i have just inherited my Dads 2" scale part built Thetford town so thats 2 projects will post that on the relevant bit heres to plenty of work, David i did go for the cast brass motion brackets, seemed like a good idea although i dont know why just a feeling in my water as they say.