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  1. Hi Roger, Thanks for this- I'd completely forgotten about Hamworthy Junction! It makes sense of course- it was the focal point for all kinds of traffic- from the quays at Hamworthy off the branch, off the Swanage branch, Weymouth (presumably quite busy with seasonal produce from the Channel Isles), traffic to/from the West Moors line as well as the S&D and all the stations on "the Old Road" to Brockenhurst and Poole/Bournemouth conurbations. I'll see if I can find a copy of the book you mention, or if the SeMG online have any pics... quite a surprising range really, when you think about it, although I think the Poole Quay tramway had closed by the mid 1950s- was it 1952? Good talking to you again... ATB David
  2. Hi there, Slight change of direction- I'm trying to get a handle on what goods would have flowed in and out of Bournemouth/Poole conurbation in the mid-1950s. To my knowledge, there were 3 main goods yards- the old Bournemouth East depot, Bournemouth West and Poole. Industries I know of in the area include ball clay from the Purbecks, finished pottery goods from various potteries in Parkstone and Branksome, timber (possibly) from Hamworthy and coal inwards for Bournemouth gas works, possibly Poole gas works and Poole power station, though the last two may have been by coaster. I'm not sure what perishable goods (milk, fruit, vegetables, meat etc) would have come in by rail, and to where... I'm trying to find out so that I can run reasonably accurate goods trains on my layout, which includes a very inferior BW... all help gratefully received. ATB David
  3. Hi there, I'm trying to get a handle on what goods would have flowed in and out of Bournemouth/Poole conurbation in the mid-1950s. To my knowledge, there were 3 main goods yards- the old Bournemouth East depot, Bournemouth West and Poole. Industries I know of in the area include ball clay from the Purbecks, finished pottery goods from various potteries in Parkstone and Branksome, timber (possibly) from Hamworthy and coal inwards for Bournemouth gas works, possibly Poole gas works and Poole power station, though the last two may have been by coaster. I'm not sure what perishable goods (milk, fruit, vegetables, meat etc) would have come in by rail, and to where... I'm trying to find out so that I can run reasonably accurate goods trains on my layout, which includes a very inferior BW... all help gratefully received. ATB David
  4. Hi Guys, Thanks for the replies- yes I've seen the Bluebell Railway pics. The Roxey kits will probably cost more than I paid for the vans, so I may have to opt for the poor mans option, which looks like buying a set of the Bachmann Bulleid bogies and kitbashing them... ATB David
  5. Hi there, Have a couple of the old Hornby SR GBL luggage vans, and looking at pictures of the real thing, the bogies appear fundamentally wrong- they appear to be BR Mk I bogies on the model, whilst the real thing appear much more basic with what appears to be a step between the axle boxes. Anyone know anything about the originals, or if anyone makes a model of one? ATB David
  6. Hi Combe Martin, Sorry I should have clarified, when I said branch sets, what I meant was any set running from BW providing local services, stopping at most if not all stations such as to Salisbury via West Moors, to Southampton, towards Weymouth and of course locals to Templecombe. I've seen the Gresley buffet pics- could/did they ever paint teak coaches? My real handicap is not having a 1956 SR winter timetable, as previously commented, and therefore no knowing how many services started from or terminated at BW, and their destinations or place of origin. ATB David
  7. Hi All, Thanks for the responses. Been to the semgonline.org, and helpful it was-but the period I'm trying to model seems to fall between two stools- blood and custard and the relaxation that happened in '57, when BR seems to have allowed some regional variation. The conclusion I've reached is that most main-line stock was blood and custard, some stock (probably branch sets) wouldn't have been repainted and might therefore have been Southern green, and strengthening coaches added to stock for inter-regional trains like the Pines might have included colours such as maroon, depending on where the stock was assembled for that specific service... does that make sense to anyone? ATB David
  8. Hi There, Long time no speak- be glad of some advice about coaching stock liveries, specifically in early 1956. My understanding was that BR used blood and custard as it's national main line colour scheme. Were there any exceptions running into and out of BW at that time? I'm thinking specifically of local services or expresses to Waterloo. I know the Bournemouth Belle at that time was an all Pullman rake in it's traditional colours, and I believe the Pines Express was in maroon (but was it always?). Also, does anyone know where I can find a timetable for arrivals and departures covering March 1956? Stay safe.. ATB David
  9. Hi All, Long time no speak! Wonder if anyone out there can help with this... I'm modelling Bournemouth West (although not to this standard), set in March 1956, and I need some advice about the liveries of coaching stock. My understanding is that until 1957, BR used "blood and custard" as a national colour scheme, with regions allowed to use a more local scheme from 1957 on. Was this the case? Or did the Pines, being Midland stock still run in maroon in 1956? Also, were Bulleid and Maunsell coaches still running in Southern Railway colours at that time? Any advice or tips as where I can find out will be gratefully received.. Best David
  10. Hi Roger, This is looking better every time I see it, and it's a real tribute to you guys! Do you happen to know if you're coming to the South West at all yet (i.e. Exeter or Plymouth)? Being down in Cornwall, we only get occasional glimpses of England through the rain... ATB David
  11. Hi Roger, With reference to your post of 29/12/16, that several methods were used to work stock around BW, I think you have the right of it. Peter Smith in the combined book describes the Bath No 1 duty on P 53 and states "Depart from Bath station 3.06pm down 'Pines'; arrive Bournemouth 5.32pm. Shunt stock to carriage sidings,..." The implication being the train was backed out of the platforms by the train engine. Further on on P. 53, he states "With no rear end assistance, the '5' made a sure-footed start up the initial 1 in 90 bank,...", i.e. no assistance from the station pilot, which presumably propelled the stock to the platform. He also describes an amusing incident on P.153 where and M7, propelling a rake of 7 coaches down to the platforms from the carriage sidings had not been coupled to the train, only the vacuum connection had been made....! Meanwhile, Roy Miles in his book "Right Away with the 'Pines'" (he was a guard on the S&D in the mid 1950s,) says "We had time only to check that the station pilot, usually an M7 0-4-4T which had brought the coaches into the platform from the carriage sidings, was uncoupled from the train...". He then says a little further down "The pilot would give us a welcome push to the platform end- it was no mean task for our Standard Class 5 4-6-0 or even a 9F 2-10-0 to start away from the 'West' with this heavy train." Hope this is of interest. David
  12. Hi Roger, There's plenty of evidence in Peter Smith's books (Mendips Engineman and Footplate over the Mendips) that M7s were not very powerful (see p 67 of the combined book- additionally they were addicted to priming (according to him). With regard to trains backing down to the carriage sidings, as distinct to the train loco being released by the station pilot, I have a memory from one of my books that this did happen, but how often and under which circumstances I'm not sure. I'll see what I can dig up. Most of my books on the subject relate to the S&D, but one or two are more specific to BW- Lawrence Popplewells "Bournemouth Railway History" is a good book, as is "Last Days of Steam in Dorset" by David Haysome and Julien Parker, but neither are detailed on the services running from stations. I was researching these as I intend to try and run my model based on March 1956- when I was born! This turned out to be quite fortuitous- liveries on coaches were in transition, but that on locos had stabilised. Other books that might help are "The 19th Century Railways of Bournemouth and Christchurch" by JA Young, and "Railways of Dorset" by JH Lucking. Anyway, I'll keep digging. On top of that, I might have some tapes my Uncle Phil (PB Myers) recorded over the S&D, possibly including departures from BW. He loaned some to the S&D Trust at Washford who transferred them to cassette-they're probably on CD now. ATB David
  13. Hi All, Very new member here- only found out about the layout when I Googled Bournemouth West model railway- had no idea such a group existed! Have to say it's one of the most lovingly recreated models I've ever seen- I still have memories of holding onto Dad's hand very tightly at the buffers when a MN backed her train out of the platform- I was about 6 at the time, and we lived in Orchard Ave, Parkstone. I could look out of my bedroom window and see the Pines going hammer and tongs up the bank! Trying to build a BW terminus on my own model railway- not easy, but do-able, in a space 12' by 11'- but I'm very interested in your platform starter signals and water cranes- did you scratch build them all? Also, didyou scratch build the cast concrete platform lamps too? ATB David
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