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  1. On the advice of a member of @BlueLightning's Discord server, I bought a copy of C. H. Ellis' British Railway Carriages, 1837-1914* and was very pleased to find a large coverage of Pullman history. How accurate it is remains to be seen, but one small snippet caught my eye: Parlor Albert Victor had an oxide roof until 1920 at least, long after it was non-standard practice. I wonder how many other cars this may have survived on, if at all. It would certainly make an interesting feature in a train, especially if it is factually accurate.
  2. Well, two days after moving in, I am settling into my parents' house in Yorkshire and I must say, it's lovely being back in my own county, on home turf. Two years of stress over where I'll live and bedroom arrangements and finance have largely been quelled now, and though I haven't a space to model properly (the downside of sharing a room short-term), I'm already feeling at home. I've unpacked a few railway items, just carriages and wagons to check they weren't damaged, and everything survived the 200+ mile journey. The only thing I did notice was that many cast buffers on kits had come loose, such as on the SECR luggage vans, but this isn't an issue as I was intent on replacing them with sprung ones in time, anyway. Some of you may know i purchased a cheap pair of BR Birdcage brakes - many thanks to @sem34090 for pointing them out to me as an affordable conversion project! Much more comfortable than paying £45+ per carriage. I just need the centre car now. These will go into plain brown, most likely, with SECR branding. I've already removed the buffers and the coupling cams in preparation for scale coupling fitting and sprung buffers, too. I also pre-ordered a full Wainwright D class - I realise it wouldn't have lasted too long in my time period in that livery, but it was too nice to say no to, and I supposed I needed something in Wainwright if I was modelling from 1910 now! You may also have seen in my B2 conversion thread that @TurboSnailand @Killian keane worked on a tender top for the project which was printed. This build is coming along nicely, I hope to finish it by December, by which time I may be in attendance at Wakefield Railway Club (though it is seeking new premises - we'll see how it goes). Plans to build Blackstone are still in the pipeline - my brother has suddenly spawned an interest in carpentry and woodwork, and has turned my Dad's old railway boards (too old and heavy to use for my purposes) into a set of gaming tables (he's into Pokemon and all that sort of thing, I don't know much more than that!) so who knows, I may have a helping hand...
  3. Very interesting lads - I'll be watching the 4-4-0 development with interest.
  4. That's shaping up really well, Jack! I'll have to try the same method for my J tank. One thing I'd meant to ask, how did you remove the handles on the Birdcages for repainting? I bought some very cheap BR crimson ones for backdating but I'm unsure how to remove the handrails and door handles. Also, did you remove the lettering before repainting or did you simply paint straight over?
  5. It's funny, how fate works. You pray and pray for evidence, for a resource, that will help your investigation on a topic, but you never expect to hit gold like this: Source: http://www.srpublicity.co.uk/misc/more2.htm ) It's a bit difficult to read because of it being so small, but with a bit of careful blowing-up, it's more legible. It looks like there are no Victoria services, but that makes sense. The Kent Termini (CX, CNN and LBG) are all available, as is LBG (LBSCR). I'll give this a look-over while I cook dinner, methinks...
  6. That's one thing that's always amused me about Eastbourne and its surroundings, it was very obviously a new town, almost like a 'model town', unlike the smaller towns and villages that were nearby. It's well-planned, but perhaps not all that well laid-out, depending on who you ask. This is reflected in the styling of the Pullman car interiors, emulating the great houses' designers' choices, period features or schools of style - Adams, Louis XV, Rococo and so on - capturing that Cavendish opulence, all the more appropriate given the higher use of the cars around Sussex. But it's nice to see cues given to a place's past - there's a fair few Cavendish/Devonshire hints in Hastings, too. Cavendish Place, Devonshire Road, Wellington Road (a reference to the fact that the Duke of Wellington owned a large portion of the land east of the Old Town, including Hastings Country Park and East Cliff), the Victoria Hotel and Alexandra Park, Queens Road (all self explanatory), various Tudor roads/avenues/courts, and Norman compatriots. Even Bulverhythe Road in St Leonards is a reference to the suburb and previous LB&SCR station.
  7. I expect they may have done on rerouted trains via the old main line, or for race specials. There's a photo of a train constituted of old SECR clerestory cars a couple of pages back that I suspect went up via Reading and Banbury to the GNR via the GWR/GCR joint line. Ex-Chatham cars from 1910 onward made it all over the Southern network, so it isn't unimaginable for them to be seen around the North Downs and Reading. I suspect that by modern times though (I'll say the 1970s onward?) Hastings has been viewed, rightly or wrongly, as more down-market and less cultural than Brighton and less "pretty" than Eastbourne. Certainly it doesn't have anywhere near as many hotels, at least on the seafront or as "obviously" being hotels (I hope that makes sense). The relocation of London residents in the last twenty years no doubt haven't helped matters, forcing the "low rent" image of Hastings as a dumping ground for all sorts of people. There's a reason ex Londoners in the town are nicknamed "FILTH" - Failed In London? Try Hastings. Well, I heard it a lot as a student, but I don't know how prevalent its usage is. Now, whether that's meant to apply to anyone who relocated out of the city or anyone regardless of circumstance seems quite suspect, but still. The lower cost of housing in the town as compared to Eastbourne, Brighton or the capital might convince people to become FILTH, after all, you can only be FULFILed for so long (Fed Up Living Frugally In London). Anyway. It seems that between Hastings and Thanet, from the 1970s onwards, there was a distinct drop in patronage and prestige, and it frustrates me that the monolith resort now is Brighton, despite other towns offering just as many cultural experiences, arts and so on. Again, I suspect this may be a chicken/egg scenario of being unable to promote yourself too much because of a lack of transport links (a problem pointed out in the 1925 article I discussed the other day) but having fewer transport links because of a lack of visitor footfall, and so on ad infinitum.
  8. That's a very valid point. One of my friends grew up in Littlehampton and would, on occasion, go on jaunts to Brighton and Eastbourne but never saw the need to go to Hastings as in their eyes it was just another seaside town. I also suppose that the town was perhaps more geared toward families or the infirm than other coastal resorts, influencing the requirement of Pullman trains. In theory, LBSCR journeys were longer to the town than SECR - dependent on the terminus, of course - but typically they seem no more than around 20 minutes longer than the SECR's. So, why pay more for a supplement on a train when you could travel in an ordinary compartment for a better fare and still have access to toilets and so on, and have a slightly shorter journey? That makes more sense. On the other hand, Hastings/St Leonards was home to a huge number of famous persons who were actors, singers, writers, scientists and so on, and it had a thriving theatre scene, perhaps not on the same level as neighbouring resorts but even so, potentially enough to justify having a Pullman service. Though just because they were residents doesn't mean to say they were frequent or even infrequent travellers. Pullman services may also have seemed not relevant to the line while the ex Gilberts finished out their working lives on the line, with anything new (steam hauled) being in the form of the K types. Into the 30s, these again was superseded by the 6PAN/PUL units, hence the K cars' transfer to ocean liner traffic. All in all, though, it does seem strange that a town that had a large number of seasonal visitors, commuting residents and the affluence to afford a service, didn't see anywhere near as many services in the evidence I've seen so far as similar towns.
  9. Interesting thing I gleaned the other day while researching SECR carriage liveries (quite the contentious topic as regards Lake and its shade/interpretation, I know) - anything teaked, ex-Chatham in particular, was likely to survive until at least 1911 without being repainted into the co-management livery, merely renumbered if appropriate and rebranded. At first I thought it seemed rather odd for a livery to survive that long, but if the wood was good and varnish intact, I suppose it makes sense to maintain it rather than rebrand for the sake of rebranding. I can't think of any models of SECR in teak, certainly not post-1899.
  10. This looks marvellous! I'd never noticed that they had the more modern quad spectacle plates in the cab, I'd always assumed they'd have the lone pair. I suppose that comes with having the Belpaire firebox, though. Your soldering lines are very clean, from what I see, Jack - I'm very envious.
  11. I've recently written an article for the Brighton Circle's quarterly publication (unrelated to Pullmans, in this instance), but I had the idea of writing an article for the Pullman Society, and began note-taking today. You'll never guess what I'm basing it on... That's a lot of work to do! But it will have to wait - it seems we finally (after two years) have a moving date set for August, so I'm more concerned with finalising packing, starting to clean, and making arrangements of van hire and contract/subscription amendments.
  12. Here we are again... My thanks to @Killian keane and @TurboSnail for your help with the tender-top, drawing it up and printing it, respectively. I had struggled with the idea of cutting down the C class top, but it was going to mean quite a few cuts and didn't quite share the same silhouette as the B2's, so CAD and printing was the better option. It's now sat in red primer, waiting for me to cut a new footplate for the tender in thin plasticard - it transpires the C's tender frame footplate is a bit narrower than the B2 body in width, so I'll widen the footplate to suit. At first I thought the CAD had been done incorrectly, but checking with a ruler several times, the dimensions of the top are correct. I'm beyond pleased and impressed with how this is looking - I had considered scrapping the locomotive body in exchange for a SE Finecast kit to convert, for better traction, but honestly, a brass chassis and plenty of weight, and I think it will look wonderful. Thank you again to the aforementioned experts, and to @Skinnylinny for their helping me with the cab for this locomotive back in January. All your collective hard work is paying off! I think I might have to force myself to learn CAD at this point...
  13. Righto, I have a reply from the Circular email group. My notion of the two portions running together was wishful thinking. The coastline train was always an early departure, with a later 'South Coast Express' departure around 11:00am (according to the 1911 LBSCR timetable). Good to know where and why we go wrong, for sure!
  14. I'm aware of the LB&SCR running powers to Hastings, thank you. What I'm more interested in here is the through operations and timetabling, which can be very complex around Hastings with hand-over between the two companies of trains or exchange of passengers and so on. As I stated earlier on this page, I wondered if it might have been worthwhile the two companies running the through Kent/Brighton and Portsmouth portions together to Brighton, to make better use of routing, but it seems this wasn't the case as far as I can find. I'll ask the Brighton Circular email group, they may have clearer answers.
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