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Sorry to bump this thread so crudely, but is there any news on the date of @Karhedron 's Wild Swan book's publication, please?
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16 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:
... any actions that would penalise competing modes (basically road), would be anti-competitive, illegal and open to challenge.
As an ideological fool, can I just ask why a suitably composed law can not prohibit challenges? If a theoretical govt wished to make freight go on a monopolistic railway (and was able to pass a law thus - a big caveat), why can it not pass a law to do this? Sorry to open a can of worms, but I have often wondered why govts are made out to be impotent with things like this. Thanks.
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One dialled your exchange operator, and said, "I would like to place a Trunk Call to [X] exchange, number [1234]." Last used at my hospital switch-board in the 1990's, which caused much reminiscence with the operator. It was only a call to another library, so not urgent.
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Did they ever carry the T.O.P.S. code "VFV" as described by Colin Marsden in his Rolling Stock Recognition book on wagons, please? I can find no trace of this on @hmrspaul 's photo web-site.
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16 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:
Unfortunately the title that's obvious to YOU might not contain the key words someone ELSE thinks obvious ...... truck / wagon, carriage / coach or locomotive / engine frinstance !
I quite agree - the Librarian's nightmare. We need someone to compose an 'Authority File'! 😀 Just look at the disparate 'tags' for pictures on Flikr, for example, for the same subjects. O well, I will keep the thread here, and watch the cobwebs grow on it...
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I agree an Index would be useful. I was thinking readers could do a search on the RMweb web-site 'search box', which would detect the key-words.
E.g., the photos and P.D.F.s of the 'hot core' PXX wagon come up on a search, but without a thread related to the subject of each file, I thought a 'dump' like this might work. Bother.
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I thought it might be useful to have a 'library' for RMweb of all those random P.D.F. files people might find of interest.
If you have a scan of something you think others might need, please post here with a suitable description in the message, so others can locate it with a quick subject key-word search.
Let me start it with a brochure for B.R. (or BR) staff about their new uniforms from April 1968, called "Your new uniform". Hope this is of interest to all. Best wishes.
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10 hours ago, Rivercider said:
Have the freight propelled in to the depot from the local yard which is just off-scene 'up the line'. You might, or might not, need a brake van at the front of the propelling move depending on local circumstances as shown in the Sectional Appendix.
In the Bristol area in the 1980s freight traffic was propelled from Lawrence Hill yard along the freight only Avonside Branch for about a mile to Avonside Wharf, there being no run-round facilities at Avonside. Also in Avonmouth the Rowntrees warehouse at Avonmouth was served by a trip working that then propelled back (right line) for about two miles to Hallen Marsh due to the track layout at Avonmouth. Both moves required a brake van at the front of the movement in which shunters and guard rode as they both crossed gated road crossings.
cheers
Thanks, @Rivercider . This sounds good, and an excuse to have a rare brake-van. There is a picture in one of Paul Shannon's books, I think, perhaps of this branch, with the shunter and guard leaning indolently on the back of the brake-van's verandah, 'watching the world go by'. Their poses looked perfect for whether arriving or departing. Look forward to seeing how the speed controls work/look. Best wishes.
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Just a quick note to say, for those of us who have not seen every episode of The Sweeney, it is starting again on I.T.V. 4, Monday, 22d April:
https://www.radiotimes.com/programme/b-fyec17/the-sweeney/
Queenstown Road Battersea station makes an appearance, I believe... This is part of the 'eternal loop' alternating with The Professionals.
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Just one thought: won't it look a little strange the Freights being propelled such a long way out 'off stage' upon departure? Ditto, any loco-hauled peak-time service E.C.S.
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Sorry to ask a daft question, but please could there be a way of storing P.D.F.s in one's 'Gallery' (or another suitable tool)? It would be useful - I thought - to save scans of old documents thus, which takes less space than photos I assume. Thanks.
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19 hours ago, melmerby said:
On a curry nights they could serve the chicken tikka masala to the smell of recycled ghee from the local curry house in the firebox.
Put me down for that one, please!!
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Just for completeness's sake, the number is 01182302227, and is cited, e.g., thus:
https://who-called.co.uk/Number/01182302227
I have discovered my Panasonic KX-TGB610EB 'phone has a call-blocking function, if I can work out how to use it...
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<Sharp intake of breath.> Note you have only half the no. of platforms now. Might a relocation of the station be called for, or a 'change in time' to a more run-down era of B.R. (S)?
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Gosh, was it really three years ago we had the discussions about this?! So sorry for your changing circumstances, but glad to see you are using the opportunity to make something new. Your example inspired me to type up a couple of Working Time Table pages eventually for my layout (still unfinished).
Any chance you could post the missing photos on this thread as a record, if it would not be too emotionally taxing, please? I always liked your 'split station' layout, and was envious of the idea.
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Having rummaged through the copies I could find of the B.R.B.’s Annual Report and Accounts, the total tonnage (MT) per year is as follows:
1972 168.842
1973 195.82
1974 176.3
1975 174.729
1976 176.209
1977 170.355
1978 170.507
[Gap in reports.]
1984/85 96.8
1985/86 139.7
1986/87 138.4
For those whose eyes are not yet bleeding from boredom, I thought I would try to describe the figures cited under ‘Statistics [col.] 5B’ of each report (figs are thousand-tonnes):
1973.
Train-load and wagon-load:
i) Coal & Coke 99,415
ii) Iron & Steel 34,950
iii) Other train-/wagon-load 52,155
Sub-total 186,520
[(iv)] +Other (estimated) 7,400
[(v)] TOTAL 193,920
However, in 1974’s report, 1973’s total is ‘revised’, listed for comparison as 195,820 KT. Item (iv) (my appellation) appears to be an annual ‘corrected estimate’, but ceased after a few years (perhaps a reflection of the efficiency of TOPS).
(iii) lumps together COY block-trains and wagon-load/Speedlink, alas. It would have been interesting to have figures for each sector, presumably unavailable till ‘Sectorization’ in the late ’80’s.
Anyway, this has decided me on the W.T.T.s for Oct. ’73–May ’74 and Oct. ’85–May ’86. Thank you all for your contributions and interest; it is much appreciated.
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38 minutes ago, ejstubbs said:
This was likely an autodialled call. ...
Many thanks for this, @ejstubbs . I had wondered about the details of these things. Strangely, our cheapo telephone hand-set used to display the incoming line nos., but now says (usually) only "Incoming call", even if the person is in the programmed 'directory' on the 'phone. (Yet it did display that 'silent call'!) Keep meaning to 'surf the web' with the model no. (I think it is a Binatone) and see if this is a reecognised fault, or just B.T. trying to get more money from us by increasing our sub. to a 'call blocker' rate.
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Had one of these calls Saturday, which was dead and then rang off when I answered. The Bristol number (I do not have it with me, alas) is listed as a fraud site on the www. I enjoy repeating, "From where did you get this number?" repeatedly until "Jo" terminates the call in despair. What a way to earn a living...
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@Covkid Memoirs, please! 😀
If I remember correctly, the Coal Network came about not only owing to the bean-counters' demand for greater control of costs (instead of sharing!), but because the Speedlink routes were less convenient to the domestic coal depots. Hence centering on Didcot Yard for the south-east. But an accountant can make anything appear 'un-economic' if desired...
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20 hours ago, Rivercider said:
I don't have any WR WTTs for 1973/74, but I do have some for 1976/77. Back then there was a Mandatory WTT and a Conditional WTT for each Division. Quite a few of the Conditional freight trains did run each day, though others were more by customer request or traffic demand.
The WR London Division Mandatory WTT is PA, you would also need the London Division Conditional WTT PF which contains some of the freight workings.
One observation. By 1987/88 Acton Yard had more or less ceased to deal with wagon load traffic, (it never became a proper part of the Speedlink Network), but was then used as a hub principally for aggregate traffic from the Mendips,
cheers
Many thanks, @Rivercider . Michael Rhodes (Illustrated history of Britsh marshalling yards ) quotes Acton Yard closing to Speedlink traffic from 1984 onwards. Also, I must take into account the launch of the Discrete Coal Network (was this an official name?) in 1987, so I think I will bring the year forward to October '86-May '87, to include more trains.
It occurred to me to read the B.R. Annual Reports! I hope they will list freight traffic by sector, and I can base my choice on something based on evidence. A bit dull-witted of me not to think of this before...
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@stivesnick Many thanks for this gen.; much appreciated. I thought the October-May time tables would be best, as more traffic would run through the autumn-spring, rather than a slacker summer. But I could be wrong.
So far I have:
OCT '73-MAY '74.
Southern = M (Mand.), N (Cond.).
London Midland = A & B (Cond.), and also J? T?
Eastern = A (Mand.), K (Cond.).
Western = PA (Mand.), PF (Cond.).
OCT '87-MAY '88.
Southern = WE.
London Midland = CC? CR, CS, CW?
Eastern = LD, YH.
Western = PD.
I realise I ought to 'define my terms' in listing the inter-regional yards to be plotted. More to post later...
Thanks again and all good wishes.
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This probably sounds quite daft/pointless, but I am preparing a 'retirement project' for the winter, viz, a diagram illustrating a comparison between 1970's wagon-load freight trains and 1980's Speedlink freight between the London marshalling yards. In the style of a previous exercise, I want to show the services between the regions' yards at two 'peaks', and the differences should show the changes (e.g., Norwood Yard's closure for the Southern Region).
I thought the best two years' Working Time Tables to use would be October 1973/May 1974 and October 1987/May 1988, being those before the two national economic recessions. Do most people here think these years would be most useful? If not, which year(s) would be better, please?
It appears the H.M.R.S.'s W.T.T. holdings are not as extensive as hoped, but this problem is for the future. I am eager to learn which 'area codes' would be needed for these two years; so far I have only the Southern Region's:
October 1973 (Mandatory) : M.
October 1973 (Conditional) : N.
October 1987: WE.
Presumably I need Western Region, London Midland Region, and Eastern Region as well. Does this sound a (relatively) useful graphic exercise? Am I missing anything? Would another area/freight flow be of greater interest?
All ideas gratefully received. Many thanks for giving this your consideration. Neil.
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I think the SRG is more likely. The tool hut I bought in pairs with the 'regular' Platelayers' hut:
https://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/491/4b3-sr-platelayers-hut/
Thanks for taking the interest.
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Sorry to 'bump' this, but if someone could identify the purpose of the 'real' one of these, I would be grateful. I thought this was the S.R. concrete Lamp Hut.
It is oblong, the blank sides longer than the front/back. I think the kit was Roxey, but it is old. Thanks for any info.
Labour's plans for the railways
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A solution I have rarely seen to the (self-imposed) ideological 'problem' of keeping govt debt below forty per cent. of G.D.P. is by using a 'Statutory Company' to keep the borrowing off the public-sector balance sheets. This company can then borrow on the open market. Or is this too simple?