Pinehill

What a shock. I met Mick several times on his weathering courses @ Missenden & @ Pendon. Such a nice honest helpful guy who gave me inspiration in my weathering & also great advice on a tree making course @ Pendon a couple of years ago. I will fondly remember his ‘mini shop’ he used to bring along where we could purchase all those lovely materials etc that he showed us how to use for weathering. His help & expertise were always in huge abundance & he was such a good tutor. I will miss him & his humour & friendly attitude. RIP Mick.

Mine is not great @ slow shunting speeds. Running with a Gaugemaster W non-feedback controller after running in as instructed. I am not a fan of the core less motor as a feedback controller cannot be used & all my other locos (many) run much better with their non coreless motors & a Gaugemaster HH feedback unit. Now difficult to return the model as it has been detailed & weathered. Will dump it back in its box, carry on with my 2 excellent running 64xx locos instead & not buy another coreless model. Would love to know how many units Bachman have received back! Disappointed after waiting for so long for this model.

Just finished the weathering!

Having just run in my 94xx as instructed by Bachmann I have come to the conclusion, as expected, that coreless motors are not the way forward in my opinion. I am running this loco as instructed with a non feedback Gaugemaster W controller & no electronic track cleaner & it just does not run as freely & as smoothly when running slowly shunting as all my other locos that run with a Gaugemaster feedback HH controller. The only coreless loco I have & it will be the last. Also disappointing that several people here have had problems with their 94xx models one way or another. After waiting so long it is just not good enough.

Anybody run this successfully on Peco bullhead code 75 track?

Have you tried TMC for your model? They have stock about to arrive. Always excellent. Service.

I hope after around several years of waiting for this model that Bachmanns quality control is not going to fail us!

They are in the Bachman warehouse & in process of being despatched to stockists!

So has anybody run it using a feedback controller &/or an electronic track cleaner? If so what result?

To those who have just received their model, can they confirm what notes have been enclosed in regard to using a feedback controller &/or electronic track cleaners with this coreless motored locomotive? If you ask why then see recent postings in regard to the 94xx pannier tanks. Thanks.

Dibber25, was that analog controller you used a feedback unit to test review the 94xx or non feedback? I can see that there is no problem with using a non feedback unit.

I already have an alternative quality non feedback controller! The locos I have just don’t run as smoothly with it as they do with the feedback unit. To run the new coreless models means losing the running qualities of the existing locos or changing the controller each time a different type of motor is run. Impractical & a pain.

Yes but for someone who runs DC with close to 50 locomotives successfully & not with the inclination or time to convert those locos & to carry out any other necessary modifications what do I do? Give up the hobby?

Interestingly I have discovered that Bachmann around 3 years ago actually carried out a test of coreless motors with a well known manufacturers hand held feedback controller (I suspect Gaugemaster). They ran a number of coreless motored locos for over 100 hours with five coach trains. There were no failures & no discernible degradation of performance during the tests. They also discussed the results with the controller manufacturer who confirmed they were unaware of any motor failures attributable to the current generation (3 years ago) of controllers & motors. Bachmann came to the conclusion that the received historical wisdom that coreless motors & feedback type controllers are incompatible would seem outdated when considering their current (3 years ago) motor specification used with the latest generation (3 years ago) of feedback controller. They mentioned that they cannot test every combination & that it may be the case that using coreless motors with older, less refined, feedback or pulsed controllers could have adverse effects. Make of that what you will!

Agree with pretty well all you have said Johnster. Over the past 20+ years I have achieved excellent slow running (all I require) with Gaugemaster HH feedback units with no real problems. Not sure if the addition of HF1 electronic track cleaners have helped but not a huge amount of hand cleaning has been necessary. Now we have Bachmann introducing motors that I cannot use with my tried & tested system & that is immensely annoying! DCC is not practical due to the many locos I have & it would take more years than I have to convert! The only real option for me is to not buy the new model after waiting so long! A really annoying aspect of this is Bachmanns attitude of leaving the feedback using customer to find out the motor conflict after he has purchased the model. As most will buy online there is no mention of problems on their own website or any of the dealers websites that I can find so their first indication will be when the model arrives with its packaging & instructions after money spent. I have made Bachmann aware of this, which they have acknowledged & are looking at.