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4 minutes ago, Schooner said:
Needless to say, v much looking forward to watching V3 come together - godspeed!
Speed is not something I have been blessed with to date 😂
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Version 3 of the etches arrived the other day for the Old Class i. Is there anything more satisfying than a fresh set of un-tarnished etches? Just like fresh snow.....looks beautiful as it is untouched, but lots of fun to be had making pretty things from it :-)
There were not wholesale changes to be made here, just a couple of small things. I've been collecting various bits of kit over the last couple of years in order to make my own castings - all the way from 3D modelling, through printing, to finally investment casting. Very much looking forwards to the latter! I will also be attempting the inside motion once again, as well as refining the reliability of run-out on the wheels. May also try my hand at lining......
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7 hours ago, Rosedale said:
Your Manning Wardle is absolutely superb JDB82. Its a great model, made even better by the painting and weathering which really brings it to life. These beautiful engines were worked hard and got dirty, so need to be weathered.
Myrtle has been built in S Scale from the excellent 3D designed and printed parts and an etched chassis all produced by Timber. I need to add some dumb buffers like yours for the chaldron wagons. My lining is not the best (with a Rotring Pen and ink) but I have heavily weathered her. She now trundles the ironstone and potash from the Farndale mines into my layout, Blakey Rigg, and can easily pull 5 or 6 wagons. I'm delighted with her. She'll next be in action at the Normanton and Pontefract Show in late January.
Myrtle is brilliant! Looks like you've done a good job with the lining to me :-) I followed Timber’s development of this model with interest. I'm only in Barnsley so I'll try and get to the Pontefract show and say hello. I came last year and really enjoyed it.
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19 hours ago, Schooner said:
And I guess no more than 3' needed each end for buffing gear, so total length of the model <170mm...?
That is small, 0-4-0T territory...but perfect for me and my cassettes...!
Thoughts loading :)
Total length of 153mm with buffers fully extended :-)
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4 hours ago, Izzy said:
All versions look good to me. The only point I’ll raise, please do forgive me, is that the crankpins somehow don’t quite look right, just big discs hiding some of the details. Perhaps it’s my eyesight.
Bob
Bob, you are quite right. I've always tapped the crankpin holes 10BA, screwed the screw from the back of the wheel and used a bush 'in reverse' to hold the coupling rod. That works on larger prototypes, but for something this small, I think the 12BA screw and nut with the bush the 'normal' way round would be better. Another thing to add to the V3 notes :-)
Keep the suggestions coming people - all taken constructively.
John
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8 minutes ago, Ruston said:
Very nice. I do think that it would look better with the safety valve cover being unpainted brass though.
Agreed - I'll keep that in mind once I've done version 3 👍
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29 minutes ago, Schooner said:
When you say 'little' I don't suppose you've got a length over buffers to hand? Asking for a friend... 👀
The measurement I have to hand is 17'7", but that's to the inside edge of each buffer beam if that's any help?
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18 minutes ago, Schooner said:
Bravo! Version 1 looked ace, she looks spot-on...what can be left to change for V3?!
When you say 'little' I don't suppose you've got a length over buffers to hand? Asking for a friend... 👀
Nowadays I'd rather order a 3D print, but that's largely due to unreliable quality of many white metal mouldings which are starting to show their age. A few times I've ordered fittings on the basis of exquisite imagery only to receive something barely recognisable or usable. That, coupled with the improvements of modern resins (which are almost perfect now in their strength, detail resolution, resiliance etc) means if I find similar products in plastic or whitemetal, all else being equal I'll go for the former.
Thank you! Changes are minimal - a couple of holes in the wrong place and an error on one of the parts led to it being Hal-etched instead of fully etched. If it was just for me I wouldn't bother altering them, but as a number of people are interested in have a set for themselves, I want them to be right.
I think more and more people are of the same opinion about the castings. If I was to produce my own metal castings, they would be 3D printed in a cashable resin, and then investment cast as the next process. As there are no moulds, the quality should be spot on each time - once I gain a bit of casting experience that is, as I'm under no illusions that there would be a bit of learning to do!
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A little later than planned (is it really a year since I got the revise etches?!), but version 2 of the Manning Wardle Old Class i is finished :-) I haven't been updating the progress of this build as it would have been very repetitive from the first version I built, although with the length of time it's taken me to get it done (work is a bit all-consuming at the moment), and the fact that most of the photos were lost in "the great wipeout" of a year or two ago, maybe that would have been useful!
This runs on 1/8" axels - slightly unusual for O Gauge, but it's only a tiny little thing and it means I can use a High-Level gearbox and a motor mounted vertically in the firebox. This leaves the boiler available for a (small) decoder should that be necessary. The homemade wheels are running pretty true having used a centre boss this time round. Here are some pics - I make no apology for the number of them as I'm pretty pleased with it once again! Just noticed I forgot to add the cab steps.....again. Sure I did that first time round....
So, to version 3.... Only a few minor changes to make, so shouldn't take long to do (😂). This time round, I shall experiment with split axel pickup as there's not much room for plungers, and back scratchers are OK, but can be a bit juddery. Version 3 will also see the resurrection of the inside motion, which I'm determined to get right and running smoothly. I might even give lining a go when it comes round to painting it 😱 I'll also be attempting my own castings, but more on that in a different thread somewhere.
Incidentally, I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on castings. Is the preference still for solid metal, or are 3D printed parts becoming more accepted? Once painted, you can't tell the difference - if anything 3D printed are probably sharper and crisper, but then there's the durability aspect. Thoughts on a postcard (or at least a post) below please :-)
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Giles, I've just finished building a Manning Wardle Old class i which is now ready for painting. Whilst I'm OK at the painting side of things in terms of getting base coats on (and I do not mean in in the same ball park at Haywood et al. !), the weathering I find much more challenging. This is where the really artistry comes in, and you look to have just about perfected this with your technique. I'll be giving it a try this time. I know it's going back a few years now, but can you remember what colour paint you used on the Garrett? I think if I get the weathering right, it could look quite nice on the diminutive little Manning Wardle.
Cheers,
John
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11 hours ago, Timber said:
Cheers Steve - missed this as I have been distracted with some other activities. I find that this elegoo water washable shrinks at a consistant 1.1% so I just add that to my Lychee slicer. I also cure everything in water - it makes a very significant difference. I just drop the prints in a jam jar full of water and put under UV for 2 minutes. The saddle was printed at 15 um at a 45 degree angle - it took about 20 hours but it is very smooth.
Photo was not great - my photography is not much better than my modelling. The wavy lines on the sddle are under the surface. I use a honeycomb technique to eradicate warping.
I have the brass boiler fittings now but have decided to rework the etch so waiting on this now before I fit the motion....
This is looking superb! I must get round to trying some larger prints instead of just the small parts I usually end up doing. Do you find the marks from the supports under the boiler are easily dealt with?
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Now seems to be a good time for an update on the iClass, as a number of people had expressed an interest in buying a set of etches and castings. Work and family life have really got in the way of quick progress, but the necessary changes to the etches have been made and the 2nd test build is well under way. The chassis has been completed, and I'm waiting on some parts to make my wheels run true more consistently. I've adapted the frames so people can decide whether to use 3/16" axles like I did first time round, or 1/8" axels as I'm trying in version 2. This will allow the use of High Level gear boxes and horn guides/blocks. I'll post some photos once the wheels are sorted and it's running.
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7 hours ago, Rosedale said:
This is a superb thread JDB82! I have been building one of Timbers excellent 3d prints and etchings in S Scale and like you both, really love these engines. I have made several visits to Armley Industrial Museum to see the preserved 'Aldwyth' in my home town of Leeds and the many pictures on this site are also very helpful as have been the Middleton Railway.
I'm sorry if this is already explained in your thread, but where did you get the makers and name plates etched as I also want to get a few sets?My engine is destined to haul the ironstone and potash traffice from the Farndale Mines into my model of Blakey Junction, "Blakey Rigg"
Many thanks.
Thanks Rosedale! The nameplates I ordered from Narrow Planet (now called Light Railway Stores I believe). They do a great selection of plates, all customisable - you do have to be prepared to wait a few weeks for them to arrive.
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I have used WWS layering spray which seems pretty good - I use it for making trees too. They post worldwide according to their website, and although the spray can is only available to post to the UK, they have a non-aerosol version here which they will ship globally. Maybe worth a try.
https://www.wwscenics.com/product/layering-sprays/
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4 hours ago, sir douglas said:
what is most apparent though are the empty isles nearly all day, it must have been one of their lowest attended shows after the time Kettering got snowed on
Maybe it was just a quiet patch - there was a post on the Guild forum a few days ago as part of a discussion about visitor numbers across their various shows, and they reckoned that numbers for the Doncaster show were broadly equivalent to pre-Covid numbers. Same for Kettering, although it seems Guildex was a bit down from before - various factors at play there.
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7 hours ago, 03060 said:
Love the MW 'I' Class, you've certainly captured the character of this old design.
..... and for your next project .... how about a nice Slaughter and Gruning Ltd 2-2-2 WT ... perhaps ??
Regards,
Ian (who would be interested in a set of 'I' Class etches when available, please.)
That's a cute one!
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2 hours ago, Schooner said:
Fantastic! Pickerstone looks glorious, and she's definitely not helping me resist the temptations of a move to 7mm!
Old and quirky? Yes please! How about Long Wind, Longridge & Co's 104/1847 0-6-0(ST)?
Built for the LB&SCR as one a class of eight goods engines:
rebuilt by the LB&SCR 1860; and again 1865 as a sadle tank.
Sold in 1870 to contractor George Wythes for use in the construction of the Millwall Docks, thence Sharpness Dock; to John Aird in 1873 for building the Portsmouth Harbour railway extension and then the Royal Albert Docks, with another rebuild at Brighton in between (1875). Loaned to the London and St. Katherine Dock Co. in 1880 for use on the Royal Albert Dock Passenger Railway (!) and purchased outright by them in 1881 as No. 8. Sold in 1898, making it to the L&NWR yard in Carlisle before finally being scrapped in 1901.
Info from Dave Marden's excellent London Dock Railways Pt. 2, which also includes a great photo of Long Wind in L&StKD ownership. It (and Part 1) also includes a ton of other old quirky locos, well worth a look if you've not got a copy. Absolutely no idea about where to find decent drawings though, sorry!
Exactly the kind of thing I like :-) Thanks!
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I really must speed up......One year after beginning I have a finished* loco that I'm rather proud of. Proud for many reasons. It started life as this drawing on a scrappy bit of paper:
Part by part, I produced the CAD artwork for the etches, 3D modelled, printed and had cast the 3D details, made my own wheels and had a pretty good bash at getting inside motion working (more on that later). I've ended up with a model that, yes, needs a few minor tweaks to the etches, but fits together easily and runs really well. My painting and weathering skills are still nowhere near the standard of many, but they're moving in the right direction at least! Thoroughly enjoyed this one!
*finished.....sort of. Just realised the cab steps are still in their little bag, so they need gluing on. And then there's the inside motion. I need to make some changes to the 3D models and have them re-cast. I think I'd allowed a bit too much clearance between moving parts, and it was all a bit loose. The basic principal works, but needs to be a bit more precision engineered. I just haven't had time to do this, so watch this space.
So what next? Probably 3 things at once.
1. Once I've revised the etches I'll do another test build. I've had a lot of people message me asking if the etches and castings would be made available - and they will be once I'm happy everything's perfect- to that end, I'd just about finished writing a set of detailed instructions for it, and then I had an almost catastrophic loss of data from my laptop, after it lost a fight with a gin and tonic whilst away camping....... Yes, I had a backup......which corrupted whilst attempting recovery. I had the etches file in an email I'd sent, and the 3D models are stored in a cloud. But the instructions, and 3D casting trees are all gone, and will take a while to re-do.
2. Build a small diorama which will probably just involve an old engine shed - just something to photograph my models on really. No room for a full layout.....
3. Decide on the next loco to do. I want to do the same again - design etches and castings from scratch. Something old and quirky, that I can't get a kit or ready to run for. Any suggestions, let me know :-)
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I did wonder - I didn’t really have any clear photos of the cab to go on…..I need your photo repository! Easily fixed with the other revisions though. As you say, same process as the front.
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Got a little further this evening - the cab detailing, boards, coal load and name plates have been added, along with the first stages of weathering. Looks alright so far :-)
Next will be adding pickups, getting some grime between the rivets, and a final waft of soot over the top......should only take a month or so 😆
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8 hours ago, Timber said:
Here you go.....works number 58
7 hours ago, doilum said:Supplied new in 1862 to Thomas Savin a multiple customer. Usk went to work on the Brecon & Merthyr railway contract.
Oooo, thank you gents. Perfect :-) I'll get the glue out later and add them on.
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I'm not sure if this is a 'dumb' question or not, so I'll ask it anyway...... Were there occasions where old industrials would have been fitted with dumb buffers as well as standard buffers? I quite like the look of both together (just propped up in the photo below), but don't want to add them if they wouldn't have existed together. Part of me says it's a Manning Wardle and therefore pretty much anything could go, I defer to your superior knowledge!
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3 hours ago, doilum said:
I am sorely tempted to find a similar green and repaint my K class. After a 25 year build it got a hasty blast of a Halfords red that I bought for Primrose#2. Whilst it really suits the Hunslet in its final NCB condition, the MW keeps reminding me of a freshly restored MG. It deserves better.
This is a Phoenix Paints GWR Loco green 1881-1906. Much prefer this shade of green to the later ones.
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3 hours ago, doilum said:
Great colour. Same as the drill press?
Haha, not quite. The drill press is an Elliot Progress, so I'm going for a greyish-blue that they would have been out of the factory.
The green on the loco is an early version of Great Western green, although I've no intention of it really being anything to do with GW. Just liked it and thought it would go nicely on the loco. Hopefully it will be light enough to show the weathering, but dark enough to hide my lack of artistic skills 😂
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Brass is the plan at the moment. The downside are the fumes it produces when molten, which would need extracting - whilst I'm sure I'll never be producing these in any volume, I don't want to be breathing them in! An option I want to explore is using silicone bronze - slightly more expensive than brass, but I need to experiment with it to see if solder will take to it. I'm hopeful it will as there's still a high copper content, but as of yet I've never tried. Apparently the fumes given off by silicone bronze are nowhere near as nasty (although I suspect still not good!).