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If you talk to traders, yes the cash flow is good on an RTR loco but the profit to the trader is very small indeed. I spoke to one at a show who was only making a few pounds on a £100+ loco

Not sure why. Some of the current SLW class 24s have detail errors. Cab vents on the first blue one, no headboard clips on the first green one.

I personally much prefer this approach if at all possible. Great stuff. I do understand why it might not always be though.

You are still being extremely dismissive PMP? I have been to Warley every year for years and have spoken to Peco on many occasions. I appreciate how swampled they can get at times and I also appreciate that they don't know me from Adam (as you clearly don't either). What's your relevant experience that gives you such authority? The 'irony' of your own 'fact free' contributions hasn't been missed.

I really sometimes wonder why small manufacturers bother, I really do. Judith edge post a picture of thier latest and within days people loose interest and start clammering for what they should do next. Why can't we take a moment to look at what's happening now rather than constantly obsessing about the future?

It's based on years of experience of being the 'other side' of the barrier although in a different market. Try not to be so dismissive

Not really. Manufacturers tend to be very busy and bombarded by 'ideas' at large shows. There's a huge likelyhood any message would be lost as soon as the next person talks to them. Plus (not saying peco would do this) it's very easy to fob someone off when they are really busy.

These guys say they just used the packaging the loco came in. http://www.p4newstreet.com/uh-oh-hes-got-distracted-again.html

You use a simple jig. It's hardly rocket science. I am slightly amused that Dave has done a fantastic job of convincing many of us that it's an insurmountable problem that doesn't actually exist.

Loads of people do commission models they want for their own layout. Peterborough north is a fine example of this approach.

This one is a bit different though it appears as Dave said in his opening post "Please note that i have 'taken a flyer' and the model is now in cad/cam stage and i am really hoping that this is completed so i can get 3D resin prints on display at the upcoming Warley 2017 show (no promises though)." So the cads already started, meaning the research has been done, meaning the discussion on what diagram Dave should do is irrelevant as it's already been researched and cad started! Perhaps we should focus on what scale he should do instead (n gauge please )

Is one of these a starting point? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATLAS-EDITIONS-DIECAST-AEC-ERGOMATIC-6-TIPPER-LORRY-EDDIE-STOBART-1-76-NEW/401420467984?epid=1610906201&hash=item5d76863f10:g:g6cAAOSwNd9Z22d0

I believe there is a minimum weight for car and driver. The cars do have ballast weights if the combination is too light.

True but don't they say you shouldn't feed the troll? Edit - Is great western the same whinger? It was a perfectly valid opinion and a resonable suggestion.

How about we all agree that this arguement was stupid the first time and hasn't gained any intelligence behind it since? Consumers in every industry have a right to an opinion without producing the product themselves. Saying something like this adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.