Some seem to have too many plates spinning for my liking! Who is to say that the money is being used purely for one crowdfunded project and not being shared around to support other projects if funds are tight? People can do what they like with their money and its their choice and risk to put towards crowdfunding projects but giving money to projects that have no T&Cs in place is asking for trouble. The APT-P is an example where the T&Cs only got put on DJmodels and DToS sites yesterday, well after the first deposits had been paid. DJmodels also say that "Any 'pure' crowdfunding venture is an investment with no guarantee of return, and your invested capital (deposit payments) are at risk. Please consider carefully whether you wish to partake in this venture before ordering." which hasn't been made very clear in the past and I don't remember reading anything like this in the Class 71, 92, King or HUO threads? Surely this kind of information should be made very clear when the original announcement is made? ( Sorry to pick on DJModels here but its relevant) The other crowdfunding project where the guy was hiding behind a false name would put me off giving any money over straight away! I guess overall if projects fail and people lose money they only have themselves to blame but will that in turn impact other crowdfunded projects that are maybe going about things in a better way?