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  1. I'm in the process of making a conversion to a d2125. It was not too hard.Cut off the stepboards immediately below the top stepboard,then cut off the W-irons and J hangers in one go and moved them to the extreme end of the chassis. They glued back together with orinary liquid poly surprisingly well. It took a lot of hacking to get rid of the ribs in the floor and after doing one end, decided it was easier to cut right through the floor. The coupling mounts also need to go and the gas cylinder removed for spares. Stepboards were refitted. The shorter ones can just be swopped to opposite sides and the gaps in the lower board line up with the axle oxes again as if by magic. No such luck with the longer boards. They need the gap moved down by a few millimetres and the inner stanchion cut off and moved in a bit otherwise it rests against the J hanger. Need to refit the bakes now. I think the heavy duty buffers will have to be replicated by packing out some GWR 6 rib self contained ones. Will haveto scratchbuild the battery box. I'm busy modifying a couple of others as well to electric and oil versions.Does anyone know if the oil lamp cover on the roof looked different from the gas one? Also, what diameter were the buffer heads on the erlier diagrams? I'm using MJT torpedo vents on the earlier versions and might fit BR type shell vents to D2125 as per the 1960's photo in LMs carriages Vol1.
  2. Thanks John, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread and will be ordering some sides when they are ready in that case.
  3. Hi Colm, Rereading my last post, I wasn't very clear. It was the JM Designs coaches I was wondering about. If they made it north to Belfast via Lisburn I would probably order a few for use on our layout. The Worsley Work etches are very nice and my only worry is forming a tumblehome thats consistent throughtout the rake. I also got a couple of NCC F2s from Allan, one for use in an NCC excursion train and the other for my own LMS rake. The panelling is very nicely done and the F2 can be modified to make other coaches. I'm thinking about modifying some NCC stock into MPDs as well and havebeen following the other thread on that. By any chance do you have any formation set numbers recorded for these units that operated through Lisburn from time to time? I'll pick your brains at Carrick next week.
  4. Its looking much brighter for Irish modellers now. I just tok delivery of some of the Worsley Works GNRI flush sides scale to fix Airfix Staniers for the UMRC's new layout based on Lisburn. I'm not well up on irish stock as I model the Carlisle area, but if somebody can tell me that this type of coach regualrly worked north to Belfast then I am sure some will be findingtheir ay to Belfast. Keep up the good work!
  5. I've used a few of the LMS CCT and SR CCT buffers and they are superb. I ordered a batch more for upgrading Bachmann LNER steel opens on Monday night via Parkside Dundas and they arrived yesterday and look great.
  6. Trumpeter make a model of this in 1/35th - although their Panzer IV turrets have come in for some criticism in some military websites. Hope to pick one up some time for an outdoor line.
  7. Try Midland Railway Carriages Volume 2. There are some drawings and photos of the MR various Motor Car Van diagrams. ABS also do a kit of the Digram 402 which builds in to a very nice model. I have one finished in early BR livery, mainly because I could not get suitable transfers for the LMS version.
  8. There were also regualr block meat trains from Scotland do London. In the recently published book 'The Caledonian in LMS Days', there is a photo in the late 20s/early 30s of one train leaving Carlisle headed by a Royal Scot with a 6w Caledonian meat van behind it. Some of the LMS meat vans were branded 'Return to Northern Division'. In the Bradford Barton series 'Steam Around Carlisle' volume there are a couple of shots of lengthy meat trains heading from Symington in south west Scotland to London, mainly composed of containers.
  9. Anyone know if any of these ever served at or worked to Carlisle or Maryport? I suspect not but there is a picture of one on the turntable at Garsdale. I was planning to build a kit of one at some stage and justify it as a unrecorded wartime working but if anyone has evidenc eof them being around teh border that would be great.
  10. Wasn't there an article on converting a Bachmann Jinty to one of these a couple of years ago? I think it might have been in Model Rail. I have it on my 'to do' list.
  11. One of the biggest problems in modelling railways in Ulster is getting hold of decent reference information. While there are books on GNRI, UTA and NCC locos and DMUs, good drawings, particularly of wagons and coaches are harder to come by. It is only in the in the last 12 months that I found out that the wagon diagram drawings still existed for the NCC and the GNRI and have fortunately been able to get copies of these. NCC coaching stock drawings also exist but I have only found a few for the GNRI. In addition, to help with building models, good photos of rolling stock are required but they are also thin on the ground. Most shots are only of a vague shape in the backround of a loco photo or are taken at 3/4 view so detail is not clear. Ideally books similar to the LMS and LNER wagon and coaches by Tatlow, Essery, Jenkinson etc., are needed. If enough people can post links to useful photos or drawings and are willing to share them here, maybe we could start to pull together a useful web based resource. To start the ball rolling, I can pass on drawings for wagons for NCC and UTA stock to anyone who PMs me. I've also added in these links to photos on Flickr which may be of use. http://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/sets/72157626213785567/with/5555611400/ - 7 nice shots of NCC locos in 1936 from 53a http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/sets/72157626756740602/with/5957461276/ - loads of photos from Ernires railway archive of GNRI and NCC locos and locations, with the odd wagon shown clearly in the background I'm sure there must be many hidden gems out there in other RMWebber's personal collections and other websites. Please feel free to add to the above start.
  12. The following item ended earlier today on ebay. I knew Roxey did mouldings for LNWR (my dad has a large batch) and LMS sides in the dim and distant past but to find one for a 48' GSWR Third was a surprise. Does anyone know if they did anymore as my GSWT Association 6w full brake could use some company. http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1497.l2649 Hope the pictures in the above link may be of use.
  13. I've enjoyed following this thread and look forward to seeing the finished J83. I had a similar idea of hacking about a Hornby body and you have done a great job on this so I'll dig out mine now I've been suitably inspired. I ill marry it to another chasis, possibly the 57XX as you have done. My dad used a Mainline one 30 years ago under his NB Models N15 and I'll be doing likewise when I get my one built but using a 45xx. The crux of this is that it would be useful to have a table of RTR chassis dimensions somewhere. Wheelbase, spacing between wheels, wheel diameter and number of spokes. I'm hoping some kind sole has already done one, but if not it would it be worth setting one up. The old Model Rail magazine used to supply them as part of its reviews. I am tring to find appropriately sized RTR chassis for several body kits and conversions, at the minute for GNRI and NCC locos, as well as my usual Carlisle fare. So does anybody know of such a list or resource available?
  14. Hi Dave, You might not want to be too hasty about getting an early crest one. When I get my paws on one of these its going to look like this http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=36197
  15. LMS Fish and Meat van transfers from HMRS sheets If anybody has some transfers for LMS fish and meat vans that are on the HMRS/PC LMS coach and wagon sheets I'd be very happy to take them off your. I'm very happy to swop for some other types of transfers from Modelmaster and other sources that I have built up over the years. If anyone knows of any other sources for the fish vans in 4mm I'd be delighted to know. Ithink the old Woodhead LMS wagons sheet also had some meat van ones. Cheers, Stephen
  16. I've thought about making some GSWR 43' stock as well. I'd looked at using ratio MR suburbans, taking out one compartment, slicing the along their length in the middle of the waist panelling to reduce the height there, and filing the bottom of the windows square. Does anyone who knows about this stock think that is a viable method or would it be quicker to do it all from scratch?
  17. Hi David, I've attached my versions of a couple of the drawings you have above. These were scanned from a friend who has the Currie archive as he was the executor of the former CME's will. The H2 is a clearer copy while the I2 has the records of when the coaches were converted from tricompos to ordinary composites. I've also added the I3 and I4 for the sake of it. Comet do a suitable set of LMS sides for one of the 57' versions but which one I can't remember. With regards to the W class in the photo discussed above its probably 102. Strangely the shot is clear enough to read the coach numbers if you download the full size version (i know its a big file, sorry), but not the loco number. I hope these are of some help.
  18. You can get some nice etched brass coach sides of the ex-MR 57' CKs and TKs stock sent over during the war from David Geen. They come in a 6 pack of 2 CKs, 2 TKs and two other brakes which remained on the mainland. I've got some Comet sides for TKs, and some of the non-corridor stock as well which the parent company sent over. You can get a copy of all the drawings in one book from the Downpatrick preservation society's stock. Its worth the money. I've put up a couple of photos on my flickr site which may be of use. I agree with you that it is difficult to get info, much of the time has to be spent squinting at the background of photos, particularly for wagons. I can supply you with a copy of NCC wagon diagrams on disk if they are of use to you. Just PM me. All the best, Stephen
  19. I know this is of limited use, but I seem to recall an article in one of he magazines back in the 1980s showing 8 or 10 colour photos of what I think was the Lima style wagon in various liveries, including a shot of one in full yellow Blue Circle livery. I can't remeber the nameof the magazine at teh minute but I believe it was the same one which ran articles by Eric Kemp on other wagons including a very good one on BR 12t Vans, detailing axle boxes, no. of parts per end, etc, one on 13t steel opens and one on fruit vans, mainly LMS style plywood bodied ones. Maybe somebody else remembers these and can come up with the name of the magazine. I'm pretty sure my dad has copies of them all but it would take a lot of digging to get them.
  20. Thanks for the extra info guys. I ordered a second hand copy of Gould off Amazon last night. The variety of livery styles in crimson seems to be quite bewildering so I suppose you could almost justify anything within reason. I'll try and get a copy of King's book somehow. I had to do something for the club competition last night and ended up just putting the number on the Van B on the right hand end and no other transfers. I'll redo it later if I can get a photo showing it differently but at least I'll not have too much to remove. I also lettered up the ex LMS motor car van using a Modelmaster minipack but i suspect their CCT lettering is 4 inch as opposed to 3 inches so may remove it later before doing the final weathering. On the other hand are there any examples of the code being painted in 4 inch letters as opposed to 3 inch ones? The SR CCT minipacks appear to be the same yet an older sheet of a dozen of more SR PMVs, BYs, etc from the same firm appears to use the 3 inch style with 4 inch numbers. Why the change? In the meantime I'm going to order some buffers from Nairnshire to complete my batch of SR 4 wheelers under construction. Their castings for the LMS CCTs are fantastic so I'm looking forward to these.
  21. Thanks for the help so far. I have manged to get some photos of the SR 4 wheel vans in Vol 3 of Historic Carriage drawings and it gives me all the info I need for those wagons which is great. It confirms hat the XP branding was in use from the start of the BR liveries and that the data panel info was in by the mid 50s. Still stuck for a crimson liveried example of the SR Van B. I did see some in a great Youtube video showing colour shots around south London, but unfortunately the images were indistinct when it came to any positioning of lettering on any coach.
  22. Hi Paul, Thank you very much for the download of the BR lettering book. I think I had downloaded it before, as I did all the other useful booklets from that site, but had completely forgotten about it. I had got my father to have a look at his copy of Vol.1 of the LMS coach but he said he only saw LMS liveried examples of the motor car van. I know from looking at it before that the same sized CCTs had a variety of lettering positions which is what I suspect happened with the motor car vans as well. Thats why I was hoping to get a photo so I could do a portrait wagon. You are right about the preserved examples paintwork, I have mine finished in plain carmine, but I was hoping the positioning of the lettering was accurate. It ties in with what I remember one of the CCT pics in the LMS coach depicting. I was not sure when the data panel with the inside and outside length, weight, etc., was added and suspected that was only late on, but having seen the download it looks as though it may have been there from the start, unless I have missed where it has been added as a later amendment. I see the XP letting on the 4 wheel CCT page seems to have been introduced about 1965 which is unfortunate as I just added it to my 4 LNER wheel pidgeon van model based on an undated photo in Harris's book. I think that will have to be removed now. I'll just keep looking through old mags until I find one - doubtless one will appear just after I've given up and varnished it! Many thnks, Stephen
  23. Hi Chris, Thanks for getting back to me. I ordered some Modelmaster transfers for the vehicles in question on Tuesday and they were delivered on Thursday morning - great service and very nice detail on the decals and no silvering. Its not so much the technical details about the weight, length, etc but more about the actual positioning of these items on the vans. I have made a start on my first ex LMS motor car van and am simply going to number it in what I believe to have been the early style or marking, as shown on a preserved vehicle I found a photo of. That way I do not have to worry about the data panel. Unfortunatley I need several of these vehicles for my Kingmor - Kings Norton van train. http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/car/historic/37311-10.jpg There are plenty of pictures of all the vehicles I would like to do on Paul Bartlett's site but they are all in rail blue era, whereas its the positioning of the numbers and other detals I am really after in the 50s and 60s. Cheers, Stephen
  24. Hi, I am in the process of building a parcels rake from Ratio/Parkside and Comet for the 50s and 60s but am struggling to get good photos showing the positioning of the numbers and other lettering on some stock. I have an LMS motor car van, an SR bogie parcels van and SR CCTs and PMVs. Most views I have come across are 3/4 views so the details are not visible. I know the number should be on the right hand end and usually on the botom or next to bottom planks. However I am not sure where exactly the tare/wheelbase/inside length/weight set of letting goes. I know roughly that it will be at the right hand end up nearer the roof but does anyone know of any clear photos on the web that could help me out. I also suspect that the dimension/weight details lettering group did not come in until the later 50s or early 60s but can anyone confirm this, and many NCPS vehicles probably did not carry it. Pics seem to be hard to come by on the web. One last point - were the handrails the same colour as the body or where they painted black. If the worst comes to the worst I will make a best guess and the cover everything in gime as most photos just show vehicles in aheavy layering of grey brown dirt but some do seem to have reatined the carmine body colour quite clearly but the number is extremely faded. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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