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  1. I had that idea of making Mk1 coaches looking at the expensive ones made by current makers of railway items. But the problem for me was getting the hand of the software, even to turn a 2D drawing into a 3D one is a nightmare. In the end like Steve B says it's easier to get old Hornby ones and paint them up and detail them then it is to make one. The only problem though is Triang and Hornby didn't make MK1 open coaches until quite recently. And my memories of the 60's and 70's were nearly all of travelling in open coaches, not the corridor stock. So my collection is largely of corridor stock. Strangely enough Playcraft did the open coaches. But they were in HO scale. It took many years later for Hornby to bring out open coaches, long after Playcraft was gone. But I can't help thinking why they didn't try to compete with Playcraft at the time on the open coach market. Perhaps it was due to the Hornby people travelled first class in corridor coaches! Which my memories of the old railways 1st class corridors being more common than 1st class open coaches. At least on the Mk1 stock.
  2. I see a lot of good arguments on keeping Woodhead open truncated by the word "British Rail". I would argue that it was the construction of British Railways in 1948 that led to the closure of Woodhead and many more routes and lines. When one operator took over there was no need of several routes to the same places, especially when public money was funding the network. One person said would the London route have got electrification earlier if it had stayed open. That person was told that other sectors of the line would have got it first. HOWEVER that argument was only based on the fact British Rail were operating ALL services by then. Had the LNER still be running it would have linked up all the electrification routes. It would have made certain the LMS wouldn't have got a monopoly on the rail system in the Sheffield area. On the movement of goods. The big four companies would have integrated road and rail services together. They could easily have taken over several commercial road haulage firms. And they would have not got penalised by the Torry party and governments for operating both road and rail services. Something that BR suffered a lot from. Even today the fact that the railways are still being pestered by the government even though they are in private hands again, shows in many ways how Nationalisation was a disaster for the railways. And even if you are a hard line Labour or Union man, just think about the massive jobs lost on a service that was much safer and efficient at moving goods around than the road system. Who pays for the fact that cars and lorries will wipe out 1000 kids every year in the UK. Hospitals couldn't cope with the recent outbreak due to the fact that are geared up for dealing with carnage of the road network. And while your stuck in a jam on the A57 listening to the traffic update as to when you can move. someone is lying on a hospital bed fighting for the life, because an articulated lorry overturned on their car due to the high winds you get on exposed moors. Have you seen the Amazon advert with the big warehouse and trucks? Did nobody ask why they were able to build that without a rail link? However they did get a road link to it!!
  3. I think some of you think that the Woodhead line started at Manchester and stopped at Victoria (Sheffield). When in fact the line continued and went onto London. When the railways were nationalised it introduced the notion of two stations serving one place. However the route to London from Victoria was much better than the Midland line route and could have the full electrification done all the way along the lines. But because Midland Station was larger, BR directed all the other services to it. In the end having one last service didn't need a massive station for it. So BR closed down the service in favour of Hope route. BR who were thinking either too far ahead or very short sighted kept the line open for freight. Forgetting one thing. They were "nationalised" which meant that the private sector hated them. Plus the Torry party did too. The private sector resented the nationalised railway saying it could get things done they couldn't. Which wasn't true. And even if BR could do things they couldn't do the private "road" lobby got around them. So what happened was that new plants or warehouses, factories, were built that were nowhere near rail lines. But councils made certain that new roads were built to access them. If you look at the Parkway corridor you can see plants, warehouses etc that have sprung up around the road. But even though there's a railway right beside it, not one firm uses it. So it's no wonder BR even lost the revenue going over the Woodhead. And just because there's no coal now, that doesn't mean that loads of heavy stuff isn't going over those hills. As for the passenger side of things closing services out from Victoria going South, resulted in the construction of the Electrified supertram system, which was built to ease congestion on the main road from Mansfield to Sheffield via Manor Top. But there was a railway line already there, the old Victoria Line that passed Killamarsh. Of course with Victoria closed it wasn't economic to run it into Midland. And the line itself was no longer used as the main line to London. But had nationalisation not taken place it's likely LNER would have been running trains to London. And when the new suburbs developed at Halfway and Killamarsh they would have put in new stations to serve them. Of course the railway is once again privately owned. But the road lobby is that powerful that even a private railway company could not get back the freight services that the road operators use. Not without a massive change in the way people live and have the need to move goods around. They are still having problems getting fast passenger train projects built. To me as soon as the railway was nationalised in 1948 the Woodhead line was doomed. Simply because if you put one man in charge of the rial network he will see that having two stations is not needed, nor two railway lines to the same place. And in the battle of the two stations: Victoria and Midland. Midland has the Hope line to Manchester and the direct line to the North of England, allowing the Scottish trains to come to Sheffield and then going South. Whereas in Victoria they had to be turned around to go South. In a private system you can get around the slower turn around method by offering different fares. But in the British Rail one price system, you can't. So Midland Station wins. Whatever way you look at it Nationalisation of the railways was a disaster. It resulted in massive job loss on the service. And most of the lines being closed, not because they lost money. But because of the lack of the need for competition. Plus the Conservative Party and Governments saw BR as wasting public money and channelled money into the road lobby. Which was private. Of course the privatisation again was still a mistake, since the system was simply chopped up! Network Rail controlling the track was simply a national body. With companies being charged for using the tracks. Even if wanted to build a new line, you would have to get Network Rail to do it for you! Had the Big Four continued, Woodhead would be open and Victoria would have high speed trains to it. Supertram would not have been built. Tinsley Yard would have never got off the drawing board stage. There might have been more freight on the tracks and the big container lorries going from massive depots, would be reduced to only a few. With the railway companies still private, they could have a level playing field with the road lobby and the Conservatives governments would have been far less mean with the grants to railway projects. The Humber Bridge for example would also have a railway line on it. BR could never have argued a case for that. But a private railway company could!
  4. I would just like to stress the importance of the Britain From Above website. If you sign up (it's free) you can get in really close. Just look at the detail you can capture with one one of the screen capture software:
  5. Just wondering if there were any Freightliner services running on the route from Manchester to Sheffield? Especially before 1970? If so what type?
  6. I can see the advantage to having thick clear plastic sheet attached to the edge of any model to prevent accidental knocking by passing persons. But if you only need it to prevent a model coming off the board, you could use much thinner sheets, such as those used in printers.
  7. I would be worried about those nots dropping out, there's already some damage to the left of the big one! You might get away with it if you treat them with some polyurethane varnish.
  8. That's what I remember about the old chipboards from the 70's. I'm certain you could get a green paint that was used to coat the board that gave it a good protective surface to work on. All you can get these days is water based rubbish, which is more expensive and can't even be used outside. Mind you that was in the days when there was a local small woodshop/DIY store on the local shopping district. And there would about five of these establishments in a five mile radius! They were cheap as chips too. Not like the B&Q places that have replaced them. They would cut a piece of timber to size for you too. The look these days if you say to a modern DIY superstore "can you cut this piece down so I can get it on the bus!"
  9. OK Birch Plywood would be sensible if you want one or two 8' by 4' boards. But there must be a cheaper one if you need 5+ ? That's the point I am really trying to put across, but making a pigs ear out of it! By the way did you see last week's Countryfile? Which was on about how much timber is being taken from none renewable sources, including the UK, which is not planting nowhere near enough trees to sustain demand!
  10. Floorboards have no strength? What planet are you on? Cut off the edges of with a electric saw then? Woodworm will attack any wood that's not treated. I hardly think that floorboards are not treated! A 2 inch frame is not substantial. I constructed a 8 foot by 4 foot one in the 70's using standard chipboard on the top. Six legs on it. You could walk all over it. It had on top a coat of green gloss paint. It lasted donkey's years. In fact when we came to break it up it was a right job to do. Quality is often in disguise, looking for a fool, who think they are clever than other people, but it likes paying through the nose for things. It seems that HS2 management also work in the model railway world too. Now that's a quality set up if there ever was one.
  11. I think I would be tempted by this more: 18mm P5 Moisture Resistant Tongue & Groove Chipboard Flooring 2400mm x 600mm (8' x 2') Pack of 80 Works out at £774.06 Inc VAT - £9.67 Per Sheet! It must be strong if people walk on it!
  12. At £32 if you buy 50 sheets it doesn't sound that good!
  13. I have seen something called "Shuttering" Plywood Sheet, which seems cheaper than other types. For example an 8 X 4 foot, 12mm sheet being £14.29. Can this be used for baseboards?
  14. Wickes is more likely to deliver than B&Q also.
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