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  1. OK @Miss Prism the coaches are almost complete with red (mahogany) sashes, dirty grey roofs, and gold/black lines delineating the cream/brown boundary. However as I was finishing off the decals I ran into a conundrum. Since GWR abolished 2nd class in 1910 and one coach was designed as a composite I need to know how to proceed with decaling that car for the 1930s. Would the previously designated 2nd class compartments have been downgraded to 3rd or upgraded to 1st? Also would the change have resulted in any exterior alterations? Right now I have just applied the 1st class labels and left the 2nd/3rd class blank which may be accurate as they are. As always, thank you for your advice.
  2. There never seems to be an end to the questions these coaches bring up. I now have the cream paint on the side panels and am ready to start with the brown paint. However in looking at various photos and my Hornby corridor and B coaches there appears to be a dark band at or under the roofline. On some models it is black and others it is brown and of course in some it is not there at all. The liveries pages on the HWR modeling website doesn’t mention this band although it is present on several of the models shown there. So I turn to you for more of your sage advice on these models. Should it be included on the 4-wheel coaches? Should it be black or brown? How wide should it be? Here are photos of models showing the band under the roofline and a couple without.
  3. Thanks Andrew. Here in the States we argue about whether the color of our Southern Railway steam loco cab roofs were red, green, or black (they were green or black). So I am always sensitive to getting the whole paint scheme correct. After reading a couple long threads on the GWR passenger roof color I think that very dirty gray is the way to go so I will start with white and weather up. The all brown cars just seem ot beg for medium gray. I always find it interesting that folks do document the body color of cars and locos but rarely pay attention to the roofs, possibly because they cannot see them all that well from ground level.
  4. I know there has been a lot of discussion on rmweb about GWR roof colors, particularly the prewar white. I was hoping that @tanatvalley might be able to tell from the photos he mentioned above what the roof color on those brown coaches looked like but I guess he ahs dropped out of sight for now. So I have scouted around and found a little evidence that they were likely grey (gray) either on purpose or as a result of chemical reactions of the lead in the white paint with sulfur(sulphur) in the atmosphere. So before I crank up the airbrush and started blowing paint there is a little time for more comments on this thread. Thanks—Larry
  5. What color was the roof on the all brown cars?
  6. Yes, I have both volumes. Unfortunately the seller (Goldstone Books) I bought vol. 1 from sent me a copy that had been in a moldy environment so I have it stashed in a bucket with bicarb powder to try and get enough of the smell out to even read it! The schedules, track diagrams for each station, and building plans are a great resource along with the photos and his descriptions of operations and the actual locos used over the years. Something every GWR modeler should own.
  7. I should have mentioned that the mixed trains were on the 1923 and 1948 schedules for Hemyock on the Culm Valley Branch. In 1923 there were 4 mixed and 1 passenger down trains and 3 mixed and 1 passenger up trains. By 1948 there were 4 mixed and, 1 freight, and 2 passenger down trains and 4 mixed, and 3 passenger up trains. I also just read about slip coach operations, an interesting approach for sure.
  8. From the 1930s era schedulesI have access to it appears that there were a lot of passenger train movements on GWR branchlines in the 1930s something like 10:1 compared to goods trains. My question is would the same rakes of cars or autocoaches be used day in and day out for these up and down branch runs? Would a pair of suburbans make half a dozen trips each day between a mainline junction station and the branchline terminus? Were rakes of coaches basically assigned to a specific branchline? Would any coaches be run down to the mainline junction and there added on to a mainline train or would passengers be required to disembark and transfer at this point? Also, how did mixed trains operate? Would there be a single coach tacked onto a good trains or vice versa?
  9. I think it was this kind of arrangement that confused me.
  10. I guess it all depends on what your sources are, this is from Wikipedia: The British semaphore signal arm consists of two parts: A wooden or metal arm (or "blade") which pivots at different angles, and a spectacle holding coloured lenses which move in front of a lamp in order to provide indications at night. Usually these were combined into a single frame, though in some types (e.g. "somersault" signals in which the arm pivoted in the centre), the arm was separate from the spectacle. The arm projects horizontally in its most restrictive aspect; other angles indicate less restrictive aspects.
  11. I have read the big threads on GWR signals and finally have a vague idea of where they go. However, I have been watching Youtube videos and studying the ohitis and diagrams in my GWR BLT books and I am lost as to which way the semaphore blades should face and in some cases on which side of the track the entire semaphore should be placed. It seems that in most case the semaphore is located on the left side of the track except when it is on the right side. And the semaphore blades generally face to the left and away from the track except when they face the right and towards the track. Can anyone (Ststionmaster) provide some rhyme or reason for where they go and which way they should face? Thanks
  12. Thanks for all that great info. Based on your responses and the description of the 1927-34 paint scheme on the gwr.org.uk website I think I have a better understanding of the changes during this period. First, the website says that initially no lining was applied when the cream and chocolate livery was introduced in 1927. Then they added a yellow line and that was soon changed to gold—so take your pick. The logo was initially the old garter crest which was replaced soon with the herald, the rondel was introduced in 1934–so again take your pick. This time period seems to have been one of several tweaks to the paint scheme but I think it likely that the express and main line coaches would have taken priority over the branch line stock when it came to repaints and it is even less likely they would have hauled in every car to the paint shop when each small change was made to the livery. From what I have gleaned elsewhere repaints were done on a 7-10 year schedule but a coach soon to be downgraded from passenger to MOW or camping service likely would have been ignored. So here is my plan. First one car will be in the all brown scheme with the crest and GWR initials. This will likely be the brake third converted to parcels van service with the guard section removed. The coaches will be in cream and chocolate and since in 1927 no lining was used I will leave it off unless I get ambitious and go with the gold lining at the cream chocolate boundary. I will assume that for the most part the rondel was not applied to these cars and instead will leave the crest in place. I also am ordering A Shire Scenes siphon C kit for the Ratio 613 chassis to round out the group. I have already built a couple of the chassis kits and found them much less delicate and littered with flash than described on the above website. For example there was no flash at all on the coach sides and very little on the chassis parts. Did Ratio redo the molds for these since the website article was initially posted? My one disappointment was with the wheels. Although they are now metal and not plastic the metal is steel and when a coach rolls over an under track magnet placed there for coupler operation it comes to an abrupt and jerky halt. I have ordered Hornby replacement coach wheels as a result. I also found that adding about 1.5 ounces to each car greatly improved tracking and made them run much smoother. Photos to come once I finish the paint job and the decals arrive.
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