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    C126

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    Mark that is really useful. I wonder where they got some of the detail from as it looks good, but isn't the same as the XVA - for example the plate above the bogie https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestlexva/e9c3b3d9   The cross bracing should be simple to add https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brtrestlexva/e9b89400

     

    I've always had a personal interest in these because I was trying to get one of the kit manufacturer's to produce a BDO 40 years ago. The same frame is present beneath the LNER 1930s built Boplates and bogie bolster Ds (those with the two plank sides through to the later LNER builds, the BR BBDs of various types and Boplates as well as these Trestles - which ended up as under runners with no body work, And I still routinely see the remains of BDAs (which are really BDOs) hammering through York loaded with 60 tons of slab steel 60 years after their frames were manufactured. 

     

    Paul

    PS for the very skilled with a soldering iron there is a lovely kit for the XVA in 7mm. One of my friends has made one - and he does say how useful my photos were. 

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    46444

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    11 hours ago, 46444 said:

     

    Hi Paul,

     

    I obtained the information from your website:

     

    Link below:

     

    https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/gwrtunnyzco

     

    Apologies if I have misquoted you.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Mark

    No, I have no idea where I got that Chief Officer suggestion from, but presumably correct! What is odd is that CO continued to be used well into BR days and whether there was control by a Chief Officer or simply it was always written like that" I don't know. I still think Construction seems more likely!

     

    Paul

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    magmouse

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    1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

     

    The balance depends on period, I'm sure, nevertheless I find it a rather doubtful conclusion. The Midland, along with the Great Western, was predominantly a user of solid spoked wheels; the LNWR and NER were largely split-spokers - so that's about half-and-half among the pre-grouping "big four". Disc wheels were rather a late innovation - certainly irrelevant to @magmouse's 1908 date. It comes down to knowing the practices of the particular railway company or private builder.

     

     

    Ah but split spoke appear to have been more popular for Private trader wagons, and they were at least half the national fleet. Looking at my photos as linked to there aren't many plain spoke wheels. I do accept that the MR was also a user of plain spoke - including 3ft 6in. 

     

    And I had no idea the discussion was limited to 1908, and I still don't understand if we are discussing FS or S7 wheels!

     

    1 hour ago, ianmaccormac said:

    You don't seem to have considered Alan Gibson, Peartree or Roxey suppliers??

     

     

    Do Gibson still move easily on the axle, I had problems with them 30 years ago and soon gave up. Peartree seem to have unusually deep flanges; I used them to replace the wheels used in the Bachmann tank wagons (I suspect are US standards) because they didn't run well through Peco points and the replacements were little better. 

    Heljan? Accurascale? 

     

    Paul

    magmouse

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    The late Adrian Swain (ABS Models) was so precise in his opinions that he got banned on here! A few years ago he explained to me that he wouldn't use anything other than Peco wheels when suitable. 

     

    Although I can understand standardising on one manufacturer's product from a consistency of running point of view I'm not convinced all plain spoke wheels are the same and a bit of variety wouldn't harm. Also, perhaps not so common as a wheel in comparison with split spoke wheels (which had lots of differences) or disc wheels https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/axleboxes

    Admittedly the GWR did seem to use plain spoke wheels more than other companies. 

     

    Paul Bartlett

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    wenlock

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    13 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

     

     

    Incidentally, I note in the Midland 5-plank drawing that the bar and hinges for the end door are above the planks. That also seems the logical position, but the Slaters' instructions aren't clear how exactly it should be positioned, and models show different arrangements (some fitting it one plank down). But perhaps the different builders did it differently.

     

    Yes some have the bar over the top of the top plank, others have it immediately behind the top plank. RCH drawings were only general guidance. The HMRS book is the best published source but it is still only a limited selection of the RCH standards. 

     

    Paul

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    C126

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    2 hours ago, C126 said:

     

    It looks like a 2-door (from the two 'strips' along the cantrail) but wooden design.  I thought they usually moved 'en bloc', so it is good to see one alone in a yard in traffic.

    Ferry vans are very under represented on model railways. They may have moved in bloc from the docks but then dispersed far and wide. By the 1980s they could be parked in all sorts of places for individuals to come along and unload. I've seen vans stuffed with wine grapes, to make just that by the Italian residents of Luton and Bedford for example, and cane furniture in Guildford. But Guildford also handled fruit and veg https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ferryitalianinterfrigo/e3af3e894    https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/ferryvtgvan/e37ce6d52

    Guildford was an interesting, and accessible, yard. I'm surprised by this photo as it doesn't show many Special wagons as the engineers tended to use it as somewhere to park their large and very diverse fleet just a few show up in this selection (as does the odd Australian photo!) https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=guildford

     

    Paul

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    46444

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    Sorry Terry, the Airfix kit is of the standard 1/108 mineral which has Morton unfitted brake rigging. Its just they put in two sets of brakes when only one was needed. Its years since I made one, but there are no thousands of photos to copy to get the brakes on the correct side and the dog clutch similarly on the correct side. Amazingly considering how many workshops built these wagons they were totally standardised in the position of these and the door end. The earlier wagons, apart from door complexities had a pair of V hangers on each side to give the independent brake rigging. 

     

    Paul

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    46444

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    1 minute ago, hmrspaul said:

    There were lots of rebuild methods. The full rebuild has the bottom of the sides curved under -Bachmann do this.

     

    Your original would have been fine for the type of simple rebuild where the alteration was to remove the top door and weld a steel sheet in place https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e3dc0fa4c

     

    Paul

    Couldn't edit. Should add that not all had the turned under bottom, such as https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmineralweld/e2eb19b1f

     

    PAul

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    46444

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    The kit is a good representation of B34085 as photographed by Dave Larkin in May 1968, reproduced as Fig. 195 in

     

    Bartlett, P., Larkin, D., Mann, T., Silsbury, R., and Ward, A. (1985) An illustrated history of BR wagons, Volume 1 published by Oxford Publishing Company, 192 pages. ISBN 0-86093-203-6

     

    Although in good condition it has had most of the sides replated by that date.

     

    As mentioned the bar across the brakes - which isn't in the kit

     

     

    Paul Bartlett

    Apologies, forgetting the plates are correct for these early minerals, it is the pig iron that needs them deelted. Another lovely model.

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    Fen End Pit

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    The other thing worth remembering is that the stripes aren't quite right - they didn't generally go all the way from corner to corner but stoped short with squared ends. The Airfix mineral was apparently a 1961 release so its half-century will be next year. Adam
    They didn't stop short of the corner as they didn't aim there (generally and officially noting Pennine's point), the line stops at the top of the end door and is a diagonal from that point to the bottom corner of the section. See : http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p52574486.html for a new example though most of Paul's pictures show the same after some use.

     

    Simply to add, quite correct. That is the official instruction, they go to alongside the top hinge, not the corner.

    Paul Bartlett

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