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  1. Robbie You don't say much about what you already have. Presumably you have BRILL vol 19 part 11 August 2010. Paul Bartlett
  2. Very interesting idea. I hope you don't mind (I can delete if you do ) but I am inserting a photograph of the reception sidings at Littleton Colliery on the West Coast Electrification. Your layout is so similar, down to the retention of a pre-group signal box. The photograph was taken 29 March 1989 from the cab of the colliery shunter. The passing loco is 86207. The board crossing from the box would be a nice detail for your model. Paul Bartlett
  3. There are probably plenty. But GWRJ no. 76 Autumn 2010 has a John Lewis Article about horsebox traffic. Paul Bartlett
  4. To answer my own question (and confirmed by Bill Bedford). Harris is mistaken. Diag 4 were shorter in body - do not have a lavatory, although the wheelbase is the same. I now realise there is an exceptionally nice Don Rowland photograph in Larkin, David (1978) BR General parcels rolling stock Pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 320 5, 64 pages. It is on page 46, of E2242E. So Parkside have chosen the rarer vehicle, presumably because getting information about NPCS is so difficult. To answer Roger, I believe the later ones, given by Harris as 2366 - 2390 were to LMS diag 2181. It is confusing, because the LMS/LMR had three batches of these 2391 - 2460, 2461 - 2490, 2491-2510. This information is from Jenkinson, David & Essery, Bob (1991) An illustrated history of LMS coaches. I: General introduction and Non-Passenger Vehicles. Publ Haynes Publishing (Foulis-OPC) 166 pages ISBN 0 86093 450 0. I say confusing because they are clear these were all in the LNER number series, and an LNER design (they give as diag 9). Unfortunately, although clearly an LNER inspired design it has a 16ft wheelbase and is 24ft overheadstocks - so longer in all dimensions than LNER D5. Weight diagram and photographs are pages 71 - 72. Paul Bartlett
  5. Not inside the works (never thought to ask them!) but the BR Conger set worked into the works, some photos on my collection such as http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p49802450.html and http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p49802439.html Paul Bartlett
  6. These are illustrated with a photo and drawing in Tatlow, Peter (2000) Historic Carriage drawings Volume three: Non-passenger coaching stock. Publ. Pendragon Partnership, York, UK. ISBN 1 899816 09 7 128 pages. on Page 81. I am going to ask on the LNER yahoo group if the diag 4 is the same - from Harris, Michael (1994) LNER Carriages Publ. Thomas & Lochar, Nairn. ISBN 0-946537-98-4 160 pages it is unclear - he states the two diagrams have similar dimensions, and that diag 5 were unnumbered - whereas Tatlow shows the number series of diag 5 running on from diag 4. Parkside have announced that there is going to be a LNER horse box in 7mm. Paul Bartlett
  7. This GLE Walrus was ex SR - see the Diamond bogies. The BR build had plateback bogies http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c117187_1.html Paul Bartlett
  8. Margham BR side were incredibly understanding. We spent days in there measuring and photographing the wagons. A very strange place, at bank holidays the beach and dunes were very crowded and noisy, Margham yard was all peace and quiet (unlike todays railways BR didn't do much freight at weekends or Bank holidays). Lots of good memories coming out. Paul Bartlett
  9. Dear Apologies but you have to be far more careful in using TOPS codes as descriptors, and these BAA are one of the best example of this. BZA is a recent code (mid 1990s I believe) and my collection "BAA, BKA, Steel carriers" (C#1284673) – 165 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1284673.html shows that most BAA adapted for coil carrying retained the BAA code. We will have to wait and see what Bachmann does in detail with these models. They have already said they will do three ends; whether the cradles will vary remains unknown. However, these are incredibly complex wagons, the cradles being removable they could be swapped, removed, replaced... and the variety of cradles is considerable. Hardly surprising as these wagons are nearly 40 years old. This BZA http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p42410735.html appears to be very similar to the model picture released by Bachmann. Just be pleased that such an interesting and useful wagon is being released. Paul Bartlett
  10. Andy Thanks very much. There are many photographs in my collections taken at industrial sites, but here are some collections which are of industrial subjects Cardiff - Allied Steel and Wire - internal user wagons - 34 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=22393 Hawthorn Colliery, NCB, wagons, locos – 41 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c296167.html "Longbridge BL internal wagons" (C#1300907) – 28 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c1300907.html "Longbridge British Leyland Railway" (C#1300087) 23 photographs http://paulbartlettsotherrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1300087.html Ravenscraig, internal wagons, locos, scenes – 53 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=91441 Stocksbridge UES - Ingot Mould flat wagons internal use - 17 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=20638 Stocksbridge UES - 'Panzer' internal user wagon - 8 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=20641 Stocksbridge UES - Ingot Mould Pencil mould internal wagons - 11 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=20642 Workington - Internal user wagons at steel works and dock - 12 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=20765 Oil refineries, terminals, other tank charging. Locos" (C#1231982) – 65 photographs http://paulbartlettsotherrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1231982.html "Swansea Marcroft works Locos etc." (C#1254149) – 7 photographs http://paulbartlettsotherrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1254149.html "Wagon details - PO mineral" (C#699028) – 8 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/c699028.html 0-6-0 Drewery shunters at Willington Power station – 3 photographs http://paulbartlettsotherrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c84829.html "Wagon Tippler at Grimethorpe Coalite" (C#1388565) – 6 photographs http://paulbartlettsotherrailwayphotos.fotopic.net/c1388565.html Sad to consider how few of these exist now. Paul Bartlett
  11. In Larkin, David (1976) Private owner freight wagons on British Railways Pictorial survey. Bradford Barton Ltd, Cornwall ISBN 0 85153 294 2, 64 pages there are photos by Don Rowland of a LGW no. 168 in very good condition dated 1964 (steel underframe) and a worn DCL no. 52 (which has a wooden underframe). This is undated but many of Don's photographs are early 1960s - after all he is still with us. Both appear to be in trains. Neither have roller bearings!!!! In Gamble, G (1999) compiled British Railway Private Owner Wagons Opens and Hoppers Railways in Profile Series no. 9 Cheona Publications (ISBN 1900298-11-2) There are two 1965 photographs of wooden underframe wagons in ownership of Robert Hutchinson & Co Ltd Kirkcaldy one of which clearly has the remains of LGW beneath the livery. So there was some takeovers. Whether these wagons worked on the mainline I have no idea - They appear to have grease boxes so if they were permitted 'out' it would have been very limited if at all. Paul Bartlett
  12. They didn't stop short of the corner as they didn't aim there (generally and officially noting Pennine's point), the line stops at the top of the end door and is a diagonal from that point to the bottom corner of the section. See : http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p52574486.html for a new example though most of Paul's pictures show the same after some use. Simply to add, quite correct. That is the official instruction, they go to alongside the top hinge, not the corner. Paul Bartlett
  13. Karl There are NO scale drawings in Dons book, they are BR weight diagrams. Dimensions given are usually accurate (the given dimensions on BR diagram of 4 wheel Flatrol WW is 4 inches out!). An accurate drawing from the wagon was published in Bartlett, Paul W. & Mann, T., (1984) Cross Channel Ferry Wagons used on BR. Model Railway Constructor Annual 1985 pp 18 - 29, edited by Leigh, Chris. Drawings - BR 20t tank diag. 1/ 304; Lowmac SF diag. 2/254 ; BR 20t ferry van diag. 1/227 . Lots of photos BR Ferry vans; diagram 1/227 of 1962 and conversions – 36 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=60920 Paul Bartlett
  14. I also went and saw Hursley - very nice. But a mess of an exhibition, and no we couldn't do it again - the H&S police wouldn't permit it. As an exhibition space it was poor - I have a vague memory of a tiny strip alongside Hursley which was nigh on impossible to move through - but my memory could well be at fault. From memory there was a lot of comment at the time that nostalgia wasn't what it was! Having been to Wakefield on Sunday I suspect there were as many good layouts there as there were at the MRJ and a nice airy well lit hall which was easy to get around. Paul Bartlett
  15. Jon Plenty of prototype inspiration here Cowan Sheldon 6 1/2 and 10 ton hand cranes on BR - 28 photographs http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/show_collection.php?id=88721 At £24 Hornby are certainly trying to wring some profit out of this very elderly model! But I agree, a useful basis for a model. Paul Bartlett
  16. NO, BR withdrew livestock wagons later than that. It is confusing, but there were some traffics which operated until 1972. I certainly saw a horsebox in an electric hauled passenger train on the WCML in 1968. Yes, the livestock use was a guess . There is nothing like it in Steven-Stratens and Aldridge. However I would really like to know what this was for. The one possibility that I have thought of is as a 'show' trailer. We see these a lot these days (well we do in York which has special events in the city centre regularly) where one side opens up for an exhibition. Such ideas certainly existed in the 1950s. Mobile workshop may also work. What seems odd is that it is 'non descript' whereas I would expect some lettering about use on an unusual vehicle. Paul Bartlett
  17. I don't think there was a volume two, however instead they produced Elliott, John & Charlton, Derek (1994) Backworth An illustrated history of the mines and railways. Publ. Chilton Iron Works, Tyne & Wear, 116 pages ISBN 09523672 1 1 This has a few more photographs of the chaldrons, but also is good for illustrating some of the smaller hoppers which developed from them. As well as a great deal about where these wagon types worked. Sorry not easy to get this - the one on Abe books is more than £160 (not a typo!) Mines going straight into a cover! Several of the Chaldron wagon book are also on Abe books, rather more reasonable £11 - 12 plus postage. Paul Bartlett
  18. Dear Marc Thanks for the heads up! The KEV and KRV are lovely. What about some of the smaller KSV conversions - although they seem to have been withdrawn in advance of the KRV and KEV they worked mixed with them - and being smaller may be more appropriate for a mini layout. BR and pre-nationalisation Coil S - open merchandise conversion – photographs includes SR, LMS, LNER and BR wagons http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brrodcoilksv I expect you realise that many bogie bolsters of various types were used for rod coil movements just internally in Cardiff between the works and port. Cardiff - Allied Steel and Wire - internal user wagons - http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/alliedsteelwire Paul Bartlett
  19. This collection is NOT of the Airfix kit. The diagram 277 photos are all dated, so late 1983 sees us measuring and recording the last of them. Unfortunately the 274 went unrecorded in detail. Paul Bartlett
  20. Photos of W3083 on the SVR but in original late BR condition, sorry doesnt help with seating. Have you tried BRCoachingStock@yahoogroups.com they know masses about Mark 1s. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/h3131aefa#h3131aefa http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brmark1/h3131aefa#h399f8444 Regards Paul Bartlett
  21. A photograph of what is almost certainly that working about 2/3rds of the way down this page http://www.railalbum.co.uk/diary/index.htm Wow, some power available here. Paul York
  22. I disagree. These sound like the LMS Roadstone wagons, of which there were 101 built in 1946-8. See pages 175 - 6 in Essery, R, J, (1981) An illustrated history of LMS Wagons, Volume 1, Oxford Publishing Co. SBN 86093 127 7. viii + 180 pages (which is back in print). Paul York
  23. 60 040 heading south on tanks (to Immingham Area?) held on the freight avoiding line at York at c18.30 on both Monday 17 and Tuesday 18 May. Paul York
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