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Dam someone has found out about my grand planes for train model world even knows that the local vicar is in on it.........

I do buy second hand but it can and has come with its own set of problems then having to mess about sending stuff back its not always the best option especially with having to care for our son 24 hours a day with new its less likely to be an problem. To person who thinks we should be entitled well no is the answer I have to save to buy things were not an well off family by any means purchases needed to be given real thought before buying happens. The 1961 date in the opening post was the year my late grandad brought the Hornby Dublo freight set for my dads birthday. We can't use it now and is not suitable for our son. Andy ask me what prices things should be sold for now bear in mind its for the younger modeller. Its needs to be kid proof super detailing no not really ,lights maybe but not a must. DC is fine DCC no . So basic train set with optional trains and wagons if one wants to add to their collection. Basic loco diesel/ engine around £30/40 Basic wagons £5/9 All in train set £45/50 I am not saying that super detailed trains needed to go just that the market needs to cater at both ends not just one. Ah yes the Oxford rail gun nice model my son wanting that but I know what would happen to it LOL.

I mentioned Oxford Rail because their prices are cheaper than Hornby and Bachmann in general though I heard Hornby are involved in this company that could be wrong though. I once asked Bachmann about producing an budget/ starter range just got the standard reply.

If I was trolling I do a much better job than this. It seems to me people are jumping to defend the industry . When I first started this hobby I did buy new only to find the quality not that great for the price parts in the box parts falling off it does not give an good impression. I have a son who has mental health issues it is hard work when having to explain why dad got to take back his favourite train when it should be perfect out of the box.

Well they have Oxford Rail spring to mind .

The government are in part to blame in damaging any industry with VAT increases in the last few years we had VAT at 17/5 % then it dropped to 15% then it rose to the present 20% none of this helps .

Like I've said before an Hong Kong businesses saw the opening I highly doubt they made an loss the Chinese for all theirs faults are good at business hence China's high GNP.

Budget Model Railways on YouTube did an video on why model railways are so expensive and later did one on the future of the hobby to me it said it all. They have their own range which sells well no I've have no connection to them or ever met them just admire what they do. The model railway industry is targeting the wrong buyer they will pay the price in the end . History repeats itself Hornby Dublo did this error refused to move with the times over produced over priced it all came crashing down in 1964. The industry is in trouble they think by putting the price up will cure all their problems it is shorted sighted thinking at best reckless at worst. The global economy going to take a hit big time and will be survival of the fittest situation in the business world spending will tighten as time goes on the industry business model needs to change to survive these times. I've read on this thread its an adult hobby but yet these people owned a train set or train has a child. Social media platforms have brought the hobby into the limelight either in reviews or advertised the demand is there I often see comments in YouTube videos young collector's saying they would like to buy but simply can't afford it no one is winning here. Another thing I read here what people did in th 1950s/60s with respect we don't live in that time it's 2020 the industry could rise to the challenge time will tell who will survive.

The models were on eBay and were sold out in no time their is a demand the Chinese see it.

Look at this way forget highly detailed models lets go back to basics lets face it the model got to take some hammering when kids are involved . Hornby and Bachmann and others have their models made in China it would not be a problem for Chinese to start making and sell them overseas undercutting others the guy in Hong Kong would not be wasting his time he saw an opening in the market.

Sorry I'm not convinced on that, Sams Trains on YouTube has a large following mostly children and young adults why do reviews on models trains if their is no interest its simply down to price.

The problems with second hand is as new models are going into higher price range the second hand have followed price wise sometimes you have new and second hand at the same price. Hornby budget has increased in price their is an opening in the market for someone else. A while back an Hong Kong manufacturer was selling diesels for £35 with lights and all and good detailing.

I am aware of Hornby Dublo history I have a fine book on the subject . The question is why can't present day manufacturers do an budget range the market it is their for taking model railways are for all ages not the wealthy few who will be gone soon the young are their future no customers no business. Why should the young have to buy second hand have you seen some of eBays crazy prices they are nearly as much has new.

I think I'm going into the Lions den with this one buts it is a genuine question and manufacturers need to sit down and think about how to get younger generations into this hobby or it go will into histories dustbin has been pastime. Yes I am aware of Hornby's ' budget range of less detailed models but from what I've seen Bachmann and others don't cater for the younger modeller who's parents don't have hundreds to spend on train sets and models. I think it is a shame, its fun they will learn skills that can be used in other areas in life it gets father and son or daughter closer together as they both learn the history of our railways. My first train set was given to me by my late grandad it was a three rail Hornby Dublo brought for my father in 1961 my grandad was having a clear out in the loft when he found it . We had it on two boards nothing fancy no buildings as such only a metal tunnel he had made at the factory he worked at played with it for hours together I still have it still works never will sell it too many happy memories more so now hes not around anymore. From what I have seen now theirs no hope for younger modeller the price of locos is simply to high without the young their be no future for this hobby no customers to keep manufacturers going why is not been addressed? I have no issue with people wanting super detailed layouts or models thats fine but can we remember not everyone wants that or have the means either their is a great YouTube channel called' Budget Model Railways ' for me its been a godsend sadly some people in their comments section get quite nasty clearly they missed the point its about having fun and enjoying your layout .

I think a model of this would work better in 0 gauge maybe 00 gauge at a push. I doubt the full size railway would have survived into present though no doubt it have turned heads as it moved along if it had.

Always been interested in this railway system that ran into the sea along Brighton's coast line when I first saw it I thought it was a wind up with fake photos but no. The trains well sort of were nicknamed ' Daddy long legs' given they had pier like legs and a deck with an passenger saloon the power for them to work was from a overhead cable. I would love to see a full size replica built just to wind up the Health and Safety people who no doubt would write an growing report for it. Over years toyed with the idea of making a model of it but never got round to it but has someone out their done it got fully working model of this strange railway system?

I own a few find them alright been on a small budget I can afford them true I do save up for the odd special model made by other manufacturers. Never seen them for sale in models shops in my area so I buy them online from Amazon been in the lower price range they are ideal for the younger modeller's who have no chance in buying most models or items from other manufacturers due to the high prices. I have Baltimore and Ohio loco brought second hand she runs just as good has another non Mehano model so does anyone on here collect them?

As Bulleid fan I already have his black and chrome diesel model by Kernow Model Centre so the Leader will be of interest to me. The Leader may not of been an success story that Bulleid hoped for but would make an very interesting model by far . On my dream list of freaks and oddballs of the railway world I hope to see an 00 gauge Bulleid EMU double Decker might see the light of day.

I find eBay an mixed bag buying for the most part is ok selling on the other hand not so good. When you first start selling your buyers money can been held for a time and even on the release date be moved again. The offers you get are often too low to make it worth while. The buyer holds the cards the seller often has bow down in case of bad feedback effecting future sales. eBay now is not the eBay of before their seems to be little balance now I also believe they only want big companies who pay big fees to them and resolve problems themselves less problematic for eBay. That said Amazon is not as good has it was once was either. If you do sell on eBay your motto should be ' Seller Beware ' their is always a scammer waiting.

On YouTube their are archive films from the 1950s/60s eras showing flat roofed coaches been used as platforms for men to work on. The men were walking along the roofs one holding the wire the other attaching the wire to another wire this was part of British Railways electrification program . I don't think I would have liked to have worked on them no railings on either side and it looked a long way down. Have these coaches ever been made into models or perhaps someone has made one ? Thank you.

So what happened after posting my question on here. Went on eBay found a kit built blue and grey coach needed a bit of tender loving care but now have Royal Mail coach total cost of £14.95 which included the postage. The Bachmann ones were far to expensive so smiles around .

I'm pleased someone is making models that otherwise would not happen it gets all very same old same old. I would like a ready to run Fell way not or if the chance happened Bulleid's double Decker EMU or Bulleid's Leader. At the end of the day it's an hobby your layout. From what I have read on this thread people need to give KR Models a chance not compare them to closed down company.

Thanks for the information seen a couple of suitable coaches on eBay. With regards to the ' Great Train Robbery ' this was later the bases for a TV drama called ' She's Out' made in 1995 when a group of criminal widows raided a Royal Mail train .