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  1. Certainly Oxford Rd couldn't cope with increasing MSJ&A traffic plus the also increasing traffic from the CLC in the early 1870s (including up to 16 Oxford Rd-Liverpool Central trains at the latter's opening in 1874 according to E M Johnson's Manchester Central book). Thus the initial plan for a more central station and then later Central (if you see what I mean). The MR was given notice to quit London Rd in 1875 and this then resulted in the MR's line-building to gain alternative access to the station (Central) they were in any case part-funding (as a partner in the CLC). Si
  2. Nice photo. That looks like one of the later Liverpool-Chinley expresses with through carriages for St Pancras. They left the Manchester line at Glazebrook Jct and ran either via the 1902 cut-off route through Cheadle Heath or via Tiviot Dale and Marple. At that point you could travel to Manchester Victoria and beyond from Chinley as well. The history of MR services to Manchester and Liverpool is very complicated! Simon
  3. Whilst my answer to your question is "probably", it isn't really the right question for reasons I'll try to explain. The early history of what became the CLC and its relationship with the MSJ&A is all a bit convoluted, but the bit of line at Cornbrook East Jct linking the CLC to the MSJ&A (opened 1873) actually pre-dates the line to the first temporary Manchester Central station by 4 or so years (temp station opened 1877, permanent station opened 1880). Paul Bolger in his CLC books states that trains off the CLC (including Liverpool trains) used London Rd via the MSJ&A
  4. I'd be happy to take it off your hands Richard. Simon
  5. The last vestiges of the GN running powers over the Midland were still evident into the early 1950s. One evening ER freight from Deansgate (the former GN goods depot near to Manchester Central) to Colwich was still routed via the Midland route to Chinley rather than taking the Fallowfield loop and then heading east over Woodhead as the other ER freights off the CLC did. Simon
  6. If I read it correctly the RCTS Book suggests all or most of 61800-869 were built with flared tenders or received them as replacements for GN ones. There were swaps subsequently though, including with later numbered locos. In addition to the book approach suggested by Tony, websites such as Rail Online, Railphotoprints, Colour Rail, Transport Library etc are a good way of double-checking which tender the locos you know worked in W Yorks have the right combination of features at the right time. 61808 looks like a decent option for example: https://railphotoprints.uk/p832
  7. See also @AY Mod's forum rules: Simon
  8. @jrg1 there will certainly be copyright issues with the typesetting in the book and probably with the photo itself. This isn't perfect, but is a good starting point for understanding copyright in relation to photographs: https://www.dacs.org.uk/knowledge-base/factsheets/copyright-in-photographs.aspx#duration Regards, Simon
  9. More discussion on what the RF was paired with on Jonathan's LNER forum thread part way down this page: https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=937&start=330 Simon
  10. https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/05/watch-new-east-coast-trains-class-803s-go-on-test-in-darlington.html Simon
  11. Brian Green (usually credited as BKB Green) sadly died within the last year or so. Some of his photos were at points available from Colin Stacey trading as Initial Photographics (usually at one point advertised in BRILL). However I do not know what is to happen to his collection. It may pass to the Manchester Locomotive Society. Regarding roofboards, back in the mists of time Robert we discussed a photo in the LMS Journal no4 showing a boat train at Liverpool Central ca 1950 (immediately post-Tavern cars). Thd three boards on the Gresley TK read: PARQUESTON QUAY MARCH
  12. Andy, I'm not sure the ones on Rob's build are quite right either, but they'd certainly be closer than what was fitted originally. My 2mm ones are just blobs, but I tried to make sure they looked vaguely like the ones in my Q7 photos (wheel low down on the lubricator body and odd bulge out to one side) because they were right for my loco. Simon
  13. Where's the vacuum ejector pipe on that one Tony? Later the Q4s had it tucked behind the handrail on that side. Regards, Simon
  14. Andy, If you are doing improvements to this loco then I'd advise looking at @Rob Pulham's O gauge build of this kit: @mikemeg's build of the 4mm equivalent prior to its LRM re-release is also very useful - reference to the first of his two builds starts here: but the actual builds are over many pages. Both threads were a great deal of use for my 2mm version: I'd have a look at: the positioning of that snifter valve (it should be entirely on the smokebox); see whether you want to make a better cover between the frame extensions including a m
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