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  1. The wagon info is below the pictures in Nigel's original post Kevin. Regards, Simon
  2. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. It's a shame because even if you can live with everything being overscale it probably rules out the various obvious chassis options (Association Raithby 4F kit replacement chassis or modified Farish 4F or Jinty chassis). Simon
  3. Thanks Klaus. 3Fs are standard Midland 8ft-8ft 6in wheelbase. I assume, although I haven't got a drawing to check, that they have the same 8ft wide footplate that the bigger 4Fs do. So those etches are a little over the 16mm for 2mm scale (or 16.5ish for N). It looks to be coming together nicely. Regards, Simon
  4. Hi Klaus, Do you have any photos of the 3F please? Do you know if the etch is dimensionally accurate? The first set of these that N Brass had shot down ended up a little overscale somehow. Regards Simon
  5. Sadly the motion pins have not been available for some time now. As a result its generally recommended to use something like 0.3mm nickel silver wire. The attached extracts from the Association's Black 5 kit should help with how to do it. PAGE 10.pdfPIC PAGE 7.pdf Also refer to Nick's Jubilee videos (part 31 looks like a good place to start) http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/jubilee/pt5.html Simon
  6. You don't necessarily need to take the bearings out. You can just use the muffs to limit sideplay. If the inner face of the bearings and the ends of the muffs are smooth and square then you can achieve essentially no sideplay without issues. That's how I've done the front axles on my Jubilees. Simon
  7. I was thinking of 23217 which is a cast crosshead rather than the crosshead strip you've shown there. Simon
  8. Simon, Perhaps worth seeing if the crosshead now available from N Brass that Nigel was involved in the development of works with this chassis? My brother Andy has done one of these and used channel section plus the supplied etch bits - quite fiddly! Nick Mitchell's article in the 2mm Magazine some years ago is also worth a look. Simon
  9. I would assume just a positioning move with two of the 37s being a pair that may have left their iron ore tipplers at Scunthorpe, for example (if they are all Metals Sector locos), and were heading back to Immingham depot (they are going East). Barnetby in that era was fun and saw a lot of light engine movements to and from Immingham to Scunthorpe/Frodingham and potentially further afield depending on the sector (Tinsley etc) the locos were allocated to. Several locos might be strung together particularly before and after weekend engineering work. 1991 also coincides with the end of Speedlink, the wagonload freight service. That meant that some services that had been used to move odd wagons around as a combined train disappeared. That left the other freight sectors with some issues for a while. Thus some loco depots that might have received their fuel via a Railfreight Distribution Speedlink service would post-Speedlink have received it as a Railfreight Petroleum worked single wagonload (or a couple of tanks etc) before the steady shift to using road tankers. Thus the single TTA tank being pulled by the Class 31 could have been a cripple, one that had been fixed or indeed an empty tank from depot returning to a Humber refinery. I can't remember what metal flow the Ferrywagon like the one behind the 37s were used on at the time, so whether it is just a repaired wagon or one in traffic I couldn't be sure. Single wagon trains are disproportionately represented in this thread because it catalogues the unusual, but at somewhere as busy as Barnetby in that period from memory you would still expect to see a single wagon train at least ever other visit (if you spent a few hours there each time). Simon
  10. I'm hoping @Compound2632 will be along shortly to tell us whether the wagon above the Jocko's dome in JBWP177 is a MR survivor! Fascinating photos as always David. Simon
  11. I wouldn't try and draw any conclusions on the basis of that photograph. The way the light is hitting the train has resulted in everything in the same plane as the loco cab and tender being overexposed. That plus the filth make it impossible to be sure what was on the wagons. The three quarter view also has a tendency to obscure surface detail. Take this 1949 photo of B7 61705 at Sheffield Victoria from the Mike Morant collection (as shown on the LNER Encyclopedia site): you'd think the B7's tender was blank/solid grime, but other side on views from the same period show a surprisingly clear LNER on the tender side, and the contrast/exposure balance is rather better than the Ferriby B15 photo. Regards Simon
  12. Many 2mm scale slidebars are formed from 2-3 layers of 10 thou nickel silver or filed down to something similar from nickel silver bar/plain rail. @Nick Mitchell has done much to de-mystify the art of motion and valve gear assembly in the relevant bits of his excellent videos on building an etched chassis for the Peco Jubilee: http://www.2mm.org.uk/articles/jubilee/pt4.html As has Tim Watson's work on Valour in relation to crosshead manufacture (sadly now without pictures due to tinypic): where those available via the 2mm Association or N Brass (https://www.nbrasslocos.co.uk/fitall.html#ROD ) will not do. The hex bolts for the coupling rod fixing on Tom's loco look like the issue regarding the width of the motion etched parts. Lots of compromises to ensure adequate clearance, particularly if the front wheelset has much sideplay. Regards, Simon
  13. There's a 1951 photo of some sort of LMS fish van in one of the Geoff Gamble Cheona Publications wagon books in Aberdeen with one of these marks. It's described in the book as a condemned marking, but not only is it too neatly applied, the van is also in ex-works crimson! I've always assumed this is the metro gauge marking. Simon
  14. Slipping on extra tyres may have an effect on what you perceive as right because it makes the thick rims appear even thicker. If you're drifting towards counting rivets then your only livery choice is crimson lake (Midland or LMS) for your saturated compound. You'd also need tall Midland boiler fittings. As you may well be aware, all compounds were superheated (for which in modelling terms read got a longer smokebox (gross simplification)) by Jan 1928. So, for example, 1043 here in the condition you are modelling in early LMS days (from the Transports of Delight smugmug site): after superheating and receiving front frame extensions looked like this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/192881863952 And just to complete the story became 41043 with reduced height boiler fittings (flat topped dome and squatter chimney with no capuchon), but retaining the Deeley(?) tender chassis (albeit with a new shorter 'Fowler' tank/body): https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p1048929245/h30a6ba1 Simon
  15. @Michael Delamar's topic includes his post about spotting notes recording K1s at Walton-on-the-Hill: 62048 in 1956 and various Gorton ones when new. Simon
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