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The Welsh Highland Railway and the Ffestiniog never squabbled; they're the same company. The squabble was between the Ff&WHR on the one hand and the '64 Company or Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on the other, and although the two organisations have patched things up and do now cooperate WHR trains still don't stop at Pen y Mount junction so you can't make a direct connection to the Cambrian at Porthmadog without a long walk from one end of the high street to the other.
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19 hours ago, 009 micro modeller said:
Possibly although I thought that’s what the new space at Aberystwyth was for? Though given the amount of material in the collection (all interesting and mostly not publicly displayed before) it presumably wouldn’t hurt to have more than one place to display it.Add together the complete Collection X (even after the sale of a couple fo duplicate engines) and the separate 'Rampton' Collection which was already at the VoR and there's no chance of all of it fitting into the new building even after the on-loan Fire Queen and Earl of Berkeley have left again so I'd be very surprised if the VoR did not make use of its other exhibition space in the fullness of time.
That said the VoR does have a long term plan to extend the museum using the London Bridge roof so perhaps the former museum at Pant has some other projected use. The VoR seems to keep its operating fleet to a bare minimum however - three big engines plus a couple of small ones for footplate rides - and the BMR requires very large engines so I can't see much of the Rampton Collections actually being retsored to running order let alone running out of Pant. The Kerr Stuart Gwalior Railway pacifics, perhaps?
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55 minutes ago, Robert Shrives said:
"Panad" is a good name chosen by the group , basically " cup of tea" ideally suited to a vertical bolier - here it falls a part as they are oft likened "coffee pot" but why let that get in the way ! It
Obviously on visits to lines in South Wales she'll have to be renamed "Dysglaid."
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4 minutes ago, 009 micro modeller said:
I wonder if they’re doing something else with the museum space on the BMR then, given that the museum locos seem to be being concentrated at Aberystwyth?No idea. The stationary engine is presumably still in situ. Perhaps in due course some of the Rampton collection be exhibited there?
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A group of Boston Lodge volunteers have been very quietly building a replica de Winton - named 'Panad' - for the past several years (because just sort of casually building a new steam engine in your spare time without telling anybody is the kind of wondrous thing Boston Lodge does) and although the odd photo has appeared on Facebook this is I think the first official announcement.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/steam-railway-uk/20240501/282041922057167
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'Pendyffryn' and 'Redstone' have now been placed on display in the Aber museum.
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Three more items from Collection X are now on display at the VoR: https://www.rheidolrailway.co.uk/2024/04/18/new-exhibits-in-the-museum/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3SKmmOsjiGtah1nafbmuqcITG-yPu0lATVB3af0nVwAuQko4JB15UoxN4_aem_AdO-1qMvbz8-ymmQwBNzpDqd4lkiF6IJ6ojLtS3Vk8PzBUU_GrcoHolIR5hFYF5m2kTi6LcnXeVoQEJCSo0FPzLz
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2 hours ago, Northmoor said:
In the NYMR's defence, while replacing the cable is probably a relatively affordable component, is it a sensible use of resources if as @papagolfjuliet states, they already have three other cranes of up to 20T capacity? For the relatively few occasions when a >20T lift is required (even a decent sized loco boiler should be within that), it may be much more cost-effective to hire in a road crane.
Three problems there. The first is that getting the Plasser crane working cost more than the ropes for the steam crane would have, the second is that I would not like to try to get a large road crane round the back lanes and down the long 1 in 3 Esk Valley Bank to Grosmont MPD, and the third is that there are many locations on the NYMR where there is no road access at all (which is why the second steam crane was purchased from BR in the first place, to enable bridge deck replacement work deep in Newtondale) which means that without both 45T cranes available the NYMR has had to spend a fortune hiring in a Volker Rail Kirov crane when replacing Bridge 30 and the Goathland bridges.
And of course they do have the competent personnel necessary to run a large steam crane; the Grosmont crane is in service and the NYMR has been using such things continuously since it borrowed the NER 25T steam crane from the NRM in the mid-70s.
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9 hours ago, john new said:
What is the background; is it just the NYMR needs the money it will raise or is it a basket case job? Do they have decent non-steam cranes as alternatives for lifting in the civils yard where cranes are useful, arguably essential? Seems yet another potentially useful asset just ignored by the NYMR.
It was withrawn a few years ago because it needed a new set of ropes. The P-Way dept - or rather the York Area Group - also has a Plasser 12T self-propelled crane, a 20T Coles crane, and a 15T Coles crane, but there is nothing at that end of the line with the lifting capacity of the crane being disposed of and, as has been stated, nothing bar a second Coles fifteen tonner which belongs to the NYMR itself. If the MPD 45T crane is withdrawn for whatever reason then there will be no backup for it capable of large loco lifts.
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Re: an earlier post the NYMR has now puy the New Bridge steam craen up for sale. That should keep certain people in the manner to which they are accustomed for a while longer. Page 10 here.
"Buyer to remove from railway" of course means "You may not keep that thing on my train set."
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4 hours ago, RJS1977 said:
It's quite common for heritage railways to be split into an operating company (whose accounts are published on Companies House) and a Trust/Charity who hold the assets. That way, should the operating company get into financial difficulties, the assets are safe, avoiding the scenario that happened at Llangollen a few years back.
The NYMR York Area Group is distinct from the North York Moors Historical Railway Trust though.
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It lives!
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On 03/04/2024 at 22:45, Northmoor said:
Years ago my mother volunteered at an Oxfam shop in West Wales. She eventually lost patience - as I think several other volunteers did - at being told by the Area Manager, turning up in his company car, what must be prioritised for sale (and what donations should be discouraged) even though the experience in the shop was that they should do the direct opposite. It was the early days of Oxfam becoming a Big Charity; these behave like Big Business in every way except for actually pocketing the profit.
I am aware of a new manager of the Oxfam shop in Rochester a decade or so ago who on her first day went around all the antique, junk, and second hand book shops in the area, introduced herself, and announced that she considered it her job to put them out of business.
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6 minutes ago, BoD said:
Do they own the stock? On their website they say that they raise funds for the purchase of stock for the NYMR. No stock appears as assets in their accounts.The NYMR's own official stock list says that they're owned by the YAG: https://www.nymr.co.uk/carriages
Of the civils fleet, the NYMR's own documentation says that it owns all but one of the plate wagons, the borail, the sturgeon, the (out of service) New Bridge steam crane, one of the Coles cranes, a weltrol, two flatrols, and two brake vans.
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23 minutes ago, Boris said:
Papagoldjuliet pretty much summed it up, although the Farthwath Rolling Stock Group is having problems with the NYMR who have placed all of their vehicles up for sale despite not being owned by the NYMR
Well that's just plain disgusting. As to Deviation Shed, the land on which it sits is on a 99 year lease which if memory serves has another 54 years left to run and the building itself (ex-Longmoor Military Railway) is owned by NELPG. The LNERCA already has stock at Embsay and Kirkby Stephen which is much more appreciated than the already denuded NYMR teak set.
And how long before the York Area Group gives up and takes its unrivalled collection of civils rolling stock elsewhere? Most lines would kill for the civils fleet the YAG has built up over the past fifty years. The NYMR wouldn't be able to function without it. How long before the Lambton Locomotives Trust bugs out to Tanfield?
As to the Clifford Brown Estate, it's worth noting that the Schools and the WD were not given to the NYMR but placed in trust with a stipulation that if the Moors wasn't looking after them properly they would be transferred to another 'Historic railroad' (American lawyers) so neither Repton nor Vera can be counted on. And then there's the privately owned Hartland, whose overhaul has so far taken twenty-odd years. But let's prioritise an Austerity tank instead even though it can't manage peak season trains...
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19 hours ago, JeremyC said:
A problem with the original subject for this thread is that we are only getting one side of the story and that is from people who are unhappy with a situation (and possibly have an axe to grind).
Frankly I do have an axe to grind. Something I have loved since I was a toddler has been wrecked in a very short space of time by a tiny self-serving clique. The 'celebrity' Shedmaster ponces around on telly while the operating fleet is down to five steam engines of which one is a useless Belgian tram and another two can't handle peak season loads. There's only one NR registered steam loco and only one NR registered diesel. A fortune was spent on Car 79 and yet work now appears to have stalled, D5032's overhaul has no end in sight and the man who was pretty well single-handedly doing it has been sacked, the LNERCA has been mistreated, the planned modifications to the Mk.1s will ruin them, the fare pricing structure is guaranteed to turn away casual visitors and the Mk.2s will turn away everybody else, the new workshop at Kirkby Misperton was arbitrarily closed just as it was building a name for itself, Moors Line has been turned into a condescending waste of paper, and as to the sheer brass neck of setting up a movie trail when one of the line's major filming locations is inaccessible and the other is deserted... words fail me. Polite words anyhow.
I'm not the anonymous gentleman from the NYMR forum, but every word he said goes for me too. The NYMR currently makes the West Somerset and the Teifi Valley look like exemplars of competent management. It will be interesting to see which major rolling stock owner decides to take its toys elsewhere first. LNERCA? NELPG? The Farwath Rolling Stock Group? The Clifford Brown Estate?
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Photos circulating online of the Collection X IoM "pairs" coach No. F68 now fully restored and on display in the new VoR museum. Interestingly, it's now air braked and shod with 2' bogies for service on the VoR itself so there's one for Prototype For Everything Corner.
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Reminds me very strongly of those 'retro' tinplate clockwork cars they sell in the more old-fashioned toy shops.
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Am madly in love with this Porsche locomotive on a German miniature railway.
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1 hour ago, john new said:
When I was an active volunteer a few decades back Newtondale loop was on the cards and, at the time, the partial remains of the former signal box were still extant. It was subsequently demolished.
Newtondale Box was demolished, or rather dismantled as I think I'm right in saying that the bricks etc were saved and the base was stabilised (it's still there), in the late 90s when Roger Heath was Chairman.
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5 minutes ago, pete_mcfarlane said:
Would that give them extra capacity to run more trains and provide more seats? Every time I've been on it recently the trains were full to bursting, so adding more capacity would help.
Not really, or nothing that a passing loop wouldn't cure. The big capacity problem is on the Levisham - Pickering stretch (singled during WW1) which could theoretically be ameliorated by having one train leave Pickering just after another arrives, but that in turn would necessitate an extra carriage set and also create the problem of people turning straight round without any secondary spend on the station or in the town. Doubling the whole lot between Goathland and Levisham would entail moving Newtondale Halt, redoubling a lot of bridges which have been singled since preservation, realigning the track in places where curves have been eased meaning that you'd be back to a curvature so tight in that during BR days the stretch was subject to a 35mph speed restriction and which would not be kind to LNER pacifics or 9Fs, losing the up loop at Goathland, and losing the sections of trackbed currently used by firefighting vehicles.
And apparently it to took quite a lot of money for Mr Scott et al to find that out for themselves.
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Incidentally I know about the Rochester Avenue one because I nearly fell into it when replacing some decking! It is barely a foot below the surface right behind the back doors of the houses.
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Just now, fulton said:
Interested where this has come from, yes some are known or rumored, living there and working on construction projects there for thirty years never encounted any tunnels, sink holes not uncommon around the Frindsbury Hill area.
One runs parallel to Rochester Avenue just below the surface linking an underground barracks on Delce Road (now a garage) and Fort Clarence, and another links the garage to Fort Pitt. There are tunnel entrances behind the billboards at the bottom of Chatham Hill leading goodness knows where. A large area of the cliff on the Rochester bank of the Medway inland of the bridges was hollowed out during WW2 to create an underground Short Sunderland factory - basically everything under St. Margaret's Street. And so on.
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12 minutes ago, russ p said:
I knew they were shallow but didn't realise that shallow
That 'adit' you can see in the bank of the Murk Esk under the old school isn't an adit. It's one end of a horizontal drift.
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Vale of Rheidol buys Brecon Mountain Railway.
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I think most things will fit the VoR, but re: the NGG13 it's worth noting that the VoR appears in no rush to overhaul No.9 despite it being in very good order so it's back down to three big engines - Nos. 7 and 8 and the Garratt - plus the Wren and the Quarry Hunslet for footplate rides.