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This LNER Gunpowder Van label was brought to my attention. The accreditation is as follows: "First published by the Muzzle Loaders Association of Great Britain in 'Black Powder' magazine, Autumn 2023. From the collection of Paul Wolpe". The label measures 9.8 inches by 6 inches. Given that Rapido have introduced an appropriate van I hope that this will be of use.

Private owner wagons are an attractive and tempting addition to model railway layouts. For those of us who like to get the right wagons for our chosen location and time period some research can sometimes show us appropriate companies behind a locomotive or in yards, but rarely in enough detail to model accurately. Thereafter better photos have to be tracked down and the excellent Private Owner Wagons & Tankers Index compiled by Joe Greaves (https://lightmoor.co.uk/BDLpdf_files/Private_Owner_Wagons_Index.pdf) can get us started. But even then, finding a photograph that gives enough detail, shows a wagon that can be modeled from available kits without major surgery to change the number of planks/plank sizes, and then find transfers that are appropriate, can be frustrating. So, the reason for starting this thread. I would like to encourage modelers to post pictures of completed accurate models with a description of the source photo, kit, and transfers etc. I will start the ball rolling with a selection below that I believe are appropriate for the south end of the ECML in the 1930s. Please continue this thread with your models and the same information as I have provided so others can benefit from your research. As a final point, note that POWsides and Precision Decals offer services for a fee to provide transfers for you from suitable reference photographs if transfers are the one item lacking (I have no connection with them other than as a satisfied customer). Company: Brentnall & Cleland (3005) Builder: Gloucester Railway Carriage & Wagon Company Time Period / Date: 1932 Location / Area: ECML London Planks & Doors: 7 plank, side & end door Photo Source: Keith Turton, PO Wagons, 1st Collection, p. 36 Model Kit: Slaters 4060 Transfers: POWsides 592 Company: Brentnall & Cleland (3020) Builder: Gloucester Railway Carriage & Wagon Company Time Period / Date: 1932 Location / Area: ECML London Planks & Doors: 7 plank, side & end door Photo Source: Keith Turton, PO Wagons, 1st Collection, p. 36 Model Kit: Parkside Models PC69 Transfers: POWsides 592 Company: Barber Walker & Co (H3576) Builder: Not known Time Period / Date: 1930s (built 1918) Location / Area: ECML, London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 8 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hudson, PO Wagons Vol 1, Plate 25 Model Kit: Parkside Models PC71 Transfers: POWsides 7 Company: Birley (662) Builder: Charles Roberts & Co Time Period / Date: 1930s Location / Area: ECML London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 8 plank side & end door Photo Source: Keith Turton, PO Wagons, 1st Collection, p. 96 Model Kit: Parkside Models PC71 Transfers: POWsides 415 Company: E Foster & Co (2194) Builder: Charles Roberts & Co Time Period / Date: 1930s Location / Area: ECML London Planks & Doors: 8 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hudson Vol 1, pl 80 & HMRS ACK316 close Model Kit: Parkside PC71 Transfers: POWsides 697 Company: Ricketts (4028) Builder: Charles Roberts & Co Time Period / Date: 1930s Location / Area: ECML London Planks & Doors: 7 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hudson, PO Wagons, Vol 1, plate 86, Possibly 87 too Model Kit: Slaters 4061 Transfers: POWsides 66 Company: Stephenson Clarke (7836) Builder: Charles Roberts & Co Time Period / Date: 1930s Location / Area: Widespread Planks & Doors: 8 plank side & end doors Photo Source: Hudson, PO Wagons Vol 1, plate 91 Model Kit: Parkside PC71 Transfers: POWsides 46 Company: Stephenson Clarke (8014) Builder: Charles Roberts & Co Time Period / Date: 1930s Location / Area: Widespread Planks & Doors: 7 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hayes, 4 mm Coal Wagon p.50 Model Kit: Slaters 4061 Transfers: POWsides 46 in part Company: J R Wood & Co Ltd (346) Builder: Not known Time Period / Date: Mid-1930s Location / Area: ECML London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 7 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hayes, 4 mm Coal Wagon p.8 Model Kit: Slaters 4061 Transfers: POWsides 242 Company: J R Wood & Co Ltd (352) Builder: Not known Time Period / Date: Late 1930s (Hence darker colour) Location / Area: ECML London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 7 plank side & end door Photo Source: Hayes, 4 mm Coal Wagon p. 8 Model Kit: Slaters 4061 Transfers: POWsides 242 Company: J R Wood & Co Ltd (1424) Builder: Derbyshire Carriage & Wagon Co Time Period / Date: Mid-1930s Location / Area: ECML London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 7 plank side door Photo Source: Turton, 1st Collection, p. 115 Model Kit: Slaters 4060 Transfers: POWsides 266 Company: J R Wood & Co Ltd (1416) Builder: Not known Time Period / Date: Mid-1930s Location / Area: ECML London to Kings Cross Planks & Doors: 7 plank side door Photo Source: Turton, 1st Collection, p. 115 Model Kit: Parkside PC73 Transfers: POWsides 266 As a note to this set of photos, the builder’s plates, repair plates and registration plates were commissioned by me from John Peck of Precision Decals and pictured on his Instagram pages for anyone who wishes to take advantage of these. Best print is white over black. Again, I have no relation with him other than as a satisfied customer. I look forward to seeing additions to this thread. Can we please keep posts to providing the information below and an accompanying photo? Company: Builder: Time Period / Date: Location / Area: Planks & Doors: Photo Source: Model Kit: Transfers: Build comments, additional parts etc:

Wouldn't you know it. You build one because there is no ready to run model available and about 40 years later one is in the pipeline. This is a Nu-cast with scratch built chassis.

Very many thanks. Appreciated.

I understand that the various windows in carriages were referred to as lights. I have not been able to find a complete description of the terms for all types of windows so I hope that the expertise on this forum can help. I attach some part drawings of LNER carriages to assist here. I believe that the terminology includes: - Droplights (A?) - Sidelights (B?) - Toplights (E?) (as on Great Northern quad arts) But what were the names of the corridor side windows (C), the ventilators above (D). What were quarterlights? Were there any other window types I have not referenced? Excuse my ignorance. Any help here appreciated. Thanks all.

CORRECTION: Please discard the previous versions. I knew that there would be errors but as I reviewed them, I found an embarrassing number. Hence, I have redone these and double checked for differences. If there are errors now, it’s because I made the same error twice. Hopefully not. On the plus side there is more information now included. Apologies.

This research, mostly from Michael Harris’s books, attempts to list and describe LNER Gresley built coaches for 1923-39 in diagram number order with year of build and numbers allocated to each area. The other file lists by type, year of build, initial allocations and as structured in the prestige services (Flying Scotsman, Silver Jubilee, Coronation, West Riding, East Anglian). Additionally, appropriate Isinglass drawings and Kirk and Comet Models are referenced. This takes Harris’s (1998) listing up to 1939 and should be of use to anyone wishing to reference the diagrams or know what carriages could have been allotted to their area of interest although, of course, further research would be required to fine tune this information. It shows which diagrams are right for ECJS, North Eastern, Southern Scotland, Great Northern, Great Central, Great Eastern and North Scotland Areas. However, it must be remembered that even in 1939 half of the stock in use was pre-grouping in origin. I have no doubt that there will be some errors in this listing and happy to have them pointed out.

Hope this approach is useful for others. I took a chance on the position of the end roof ventilators, water filler cap and handrails on this coach. Like DIAs 1, 8, 23, 115, etc the toilets were to one side at the ends and I suspect that the ventilator and filler cap were offset from the centre line. Mike Trice shows the filler on the centre line with the end ventilators offset towards the toilet for diagrams 23 and 115 and this is what I have done. Photos of coaches show this and also everything in line. Additionally, both filler cap and ventilator offset in opposite directions can be seen. Sometimes you just have to take a guess. Anyway, here is the finished result. Compartment side and corridor side, interior and roof arrangement. Couplings are Kadee #711. Pictures are black and white, mirrors square as hopefully befits a 1920s vehicle, smoking seats green leather and non-smoking blue cloth, darkened teak interior woodwork.

Working on Ian Kirk 8844 LNER Side Corridor 7 compartment full 1st coach. Whilst the kit claims to be appropriate for Diagrams 1 and 2 it really seems to best represent DIA 2 carriages. I chose a GN routes version which makes it number 4151 only. Problem: this coach had 8’ 0” Gresley bogies which I take not to be the heavy ones. So, start with MJT CCU 8’ wheelbase and 8’ 6” Gresley standard cosmetic bogie. Take out 1 mm each end from the point where the inner edge of the wheel rims would be, epoxy the three parts to the CCU and fill the gaps with Milliput. Now, MJT CCUs have for some come unsoldered against one side when in use as the central brass rod joint to one side flexes and breaks. My fix is to set this up with the rod soldered to one side as normal but made longer to just pass through the other side (with the cosmetic frame drilled slightly to take this extension). A small piece of brass tube about 2mm long is cut to be a good fit over the brass rod and this is threaded onto the rod on the extended side outside of the central pivot. It is then epoxied (or soldered) in position as in the photo so that the one side of the CCU, thus held in place, can flex without there being any twist forces. Potentially this approach could be a fix for unsoldered CCUs if a tight tube fit can be found that would not only hold the CCU together as described but also provide a secure fit for an extension to the rod through the side as described above. I do not like the “popper” attachment on MJT bogies. I use 1/8th brass rod with a 10BA nut filed down and fixed inside it as the underframe bogie mounting attached to the body of the coach. A 10BA bolt, with washer soldered to it, passes through the CCU into this with the washer filed down on one side to allow it to pass under the central rod and with a piece of brass wire soldered across the bolt slot to allow it to be turned into position. Photos should make this clear. Alternatively, drill a hole in the brass tube attached to the carriage floor and pin with a tapered brass pin or a tie of fine fuse wire

So, with painting and lifting dates applied, finally calling it finished!

I have finally figured out what I think is the roof ventilator and filler pattern at each end by looking at the photo and drawing lines on a plan. It is not symmetrical. The north end is the one where the toilet stayed the same and the south end the one that was rebuilt. My best guess is the roof looked like this with end ventilators off centre and one filler off centre too...

Making good progress. Still working on what the layout of the ends of the roof look like...

Now posted at: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/169051-ian-kirk-8844-lner-diagram-2-first-with-mjt-bogie-adaptation/#comment-4678445

Diagram 139 corridor 1st below

Diagram 65 Non-corridor brake 3rd