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Apologies in case this has been covered before elsewhere and the following sounds a bit silly to the more knowledgable. I tried the forum search but could not find a matching topic since it covers both, the model(s) and the prototype. I would be able to buy 4 Bachmann MkI Pullmans second hand being: 39-310b second parlour 39-320a brake second 39-280b first kitchen 39-290b first parlour Unfortunately, Pullmans aren't really my area of experise, so my maybe someone on here can answer the following: Could I form a reasonably prototypical train with these coaches? British railways were always cosidered a side-thing by me after buying a goods wagon in Bath back in summer 2008, however my stock has grown ever since but mainly on the freight side. I don't want to spend an awful lot of money to complete the rake in case these four coaches aren't sufficient. I know, I could always make it a "Rule 1" train but wouldn't necessarily want to approach things this way immediately. In case this helps: in terms of motive power I have settled on Western Region BR steam and diesels (not 100% prototypical I am sure, but genereally speaking) with somewhere around 1963/64/65 being the upper limit of my time frame. However, I've always assumed that Pullman trains were more of a SR or (N)ER thing and less so on the WR. So, how likely would such coaches have turned up there? And if so, could they be seen in full rakes or as part of a train of, say, "normal" coaching stock? Apart from the use on the prototypical railways, is there anything i should look out for? Detailing packs that could be missing for instance? Moreover, what is the"verdict" of the modellers community of these coaches? Do the Bachmann variants represent the prototype accuraltely? I remember that there were discussions here and elsewhere about the roof ribs on normal Mk1 coaching stock so I wondered if there may also be something "wrong" with the Pullmans as well? Thanks in advance for helping me out on this Bendix

It seems to be a nice wagon and it looks far superior to the Hornby offering of the 1980s (?). I'll probably place a pre-order at Hatton's during the next days even though I don't know about the quality of Rapido products yet (I've pre-ordered, albeit at a very late stage, a gunpowder and an ex-SECR 7 plank (BR) wagon at the same retailer; so will hopefully be able to jduge the value for money aspect soon)..... @rapidoandy sorry if this is the wrong place to ask (fear of being) but as I mainly model continental German railways in the late 1950s/early 1960s (although my British stock has grown continuously since a visit to Britain in 2008) is there any chance of a HO gauge 1:87 model becoming available? I know, ferry boat wagons are a bit of a nichey thing on the Continent (and I assume, one needs something like at least 50-60 normal vented vans to make up for one ferry boat wagon in comparison to numbers of "normal" stock), but after spotting one in a German railway magazine (Die DB vor 25 Jahren [German Railways 25 years ago]; all photos then being from 1966) as part of a goods train in the yard of Aachen-West I believe, I've always wanted to have one in H0 gauge as well. Unfortunately, continental manufacturers have made some ferry boat wagons but only continental types (if I remember correctly, Roco and Liliput German examples, LS Modeles French, Belgian and Swiss versions of a refrigated wagon soldin sets of two wagons each [I might have wanted one or several variants but at >100€ a set I've refrained from doing so] and Modellbahn Union making other post-war German types of vented and bolster designs)..... The problem could of course be, that you could only sell variants of the wagon being used in trade with continental Europe Bendix

Thanks for all the replies, I received. As British models started as a side-thing next to my continental stock (after a visit to Britain in 2008 and a goods wagon that was bought as a souvenir), it has grown a bit but I still don't own any literature I'm afraid, so have to rely on what can be found on the internet. I suppose nothing is known about which end doors the three wagons (as per the transfer sheet) had? I don't have a preference for either type of door, so could probably get away with the version I like. On the other hand however, maybe there are records of -at least- the types fitted when new

As far as I know, they almost always have some stock from Bachmann, Hornby, Dapol, Oxford, Peco etc.. See here: https://www.modellbahnunion.com/e-vendo.php?shop=dm-toys-en&SessionId=0502x629507f354a51954587d31f3deed8b6c&a=marken I cannot say, however, which Hornby "Tier" they are in (they have a small shop in Kamen next to their warehouse but are, I'd say, mostly an online seller) and I also get the feeling that they get the (badly selling) left-overs from Bachmann rather than all the new items. They used to have Oxford Rail as well but since Brexit hardly any new items were added. From what I have seen, they are a Rapido dealer, but seemingly, only for North-American models: https://www.modellbahnunion.com/Rapido-m21948.htm?shop=dm-toys-en&SessionId=&a=marke&Hersteller=21948 Bendix

Good evening, i hope this is the correct section of the forum, as it can cover several sub-sections (manufacturer, kits and historical/prototype) A couple of months ago, I bought a Parkside PC54 kit of the BR Dia 1/109, checked it shortly and then put aside. Now, I had a closer look at it (still not anywhere near building it though....), I noticed, that the running numbers on the supplied transfer sheet do not match the numbers given in the "Sample Numbers" list given with the building instructions. I do wonder now what would be correct; the numbers on the sheet or those given as sample numbers? According to the sample numbers, the Dia 1/109 hat the numbers: B102300-3649, B108361-110360, B141361-3360, B213201-4832 and B244109-5358. On the transfer sheet the three possible numbers are B147494, B69644 and B157570. On a side note: To me, the numbers on the sheet seem to be Dia 1/108 numbers? Could I use these to customise the Bachmann (Dia 1/108) models? In case the numbers on the sheet are wrong, how could I solve this issue? As I am living on the Continent (and am not an English Native speaker so my connections to the UK are, let's say, rather limited), ordering transfers from third-party suppliers can, I think, become quite costly. I think that I have seen a thread on this forum that people, who had the Peco/Parkside Dia 1/108 kits, found the numbers of Dia 1/109s on their sheets. Unfortunately, I haven't found this thread now. As the mistake seems to be one of the manufacturer, could writing to Peco be an option to receive a sheet with the correct numbers? Although I only think that that would make sense, if I knew that the numbers of the Dia 1/109 wagons are on a sheet for another wagon of their range. Otherwise I might receive another sheet labelled "PC54" with, again, wrong numbers..... Thanks in advance for any answers, Bendix

So in other words: if I want to be sure about a prototypical appearance it would be better to either go for BR green with late crest or BR black with a lot of weathering that one would have to apply with all possible risks of connectivity problems afterwards? Apart from that: you write that ~186 survived past 1959 and also, that many engines were withdrawn after the introduction of the late crest. A quick search for the Mogul on Wikipedia and other websites gives me a total production of 342 engines. If we don't count the 100 rebuilds into Granges and Manors that means that 242 should have made it into BR (maybe a few less due to age, war damage etc.). Then, 186 sounds still like a very substantial number to me. Although I have to admit that I don't know the numbers of other classes to be honest..... If i understand the allocations from BR database correctly, then 6364 does not seem to follow that rule since it looks as if it was never allocated to Cornwall or Devon: (New) m/e 05/1925 44 Banburyon 01/01/1934 (Snapshot) 84C Banbury 4w/e 31/10/1959 84E Tyseley 4w/e 30/01/1960 82B St Philips Marsh 4w/e 05/11/1960 84G Kidderminster 4w/e 06/10/1962 2L Leamington w/e 22/02/1964 2P Kidderminster w/e 08/08/1964 2C Stourbridge Junction w/e 15/08/1964 Withdrawn w/e 21/11/1964 Btw. (maybe a silly question): does the "gap" between 1934 and 1959 mean that allocations are unknown or that the engine was allocated to Banbury all the time? Sometimes, there are allocations listed when engines entered BR-service even though they remained where they were allocated to.

Thanks for all the replies. I searched for the spreadsheet and found it. Unfortunately, the pictures on the website mentioned as source are early 1960s ones and on these you cannot even see any crest, let alone lining. My British rolling stock started off as a very small side-thing next to my Continental stock (Western Germany 1950s/1960s) in 2008 after buying a Dapol milk tanker in Bath while on holidays in the UK. After that, I bought more and more stock; mostly on ebay and at Hatton's. However, I still want to keep it as side-thing and therefore, I do not own any railway literature. Nevertheless, I try to be as accurate as possible although in the beginning, I bought quite a bit that would not fit the BR-period.... So, I could live with the fender lining. What I am still unsure about is how many early crests were still around what is known as BR late crest era (say 1960 onwards)? From what I have read here and on other sites, there were engines that kept the early crest, yes. I am just wondering how many actually kept this crest, so whether an early crest engine in the 1960s could be seen but was a very rare sight or whether spotting an early crest one was still rather common. It seems that neglect from depots in terms of cleaning and maintaining makes spotting liveries and crests on photos of engines in these years rather difficult. Reagrding the fender lining, I found this website where there is some information on WR liveries: http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveriesloco1948.html From what is written there, I get the impression that there were more than two tenders with fender lining (not many though). Or were there only the two for Royal duties that were attached to other engines as Miss Prism suggests. Thanks. I try to be as accurate as possible. Since I did not speak much English after grammar school, I noticed that it is a bit rusty. Answering takes longer and I need to look up more words than I would probably had to roughly a decade ago.

I would like to come back to the Mogul once again. I did read (most of) the pages of this thread, however I don't want to rule out that something I ask now might have been covered and answered already. Apologies should this be the case and for any spelling mistake I might make as I am not an English native speaker. I was thinking abour getting a Mogul but after the previous reactions in this thread, a couple of questions arose on my side. 1.) Several people mentioned that the gearing is not as good as it could be (to put it mildly). However, how "bad" is the running performance on plain DC really? I remember reading comments that running on DCC was good and it wasn't on DC, whereas other comments stated the opposite. I would not want to use it as a shunter but if performance is getting inconsistent at low speeds it would be a point to consider before I purchase. 2.) My preferred livery would be a Mogul in BR-green. As I am living in Germany, I don't really fancy buying in Britain because of the actual situation and customs etc. to adapt to the new circumstances, I could only buy the early crest version (Dapol 4S-043-005; BR number 6364). What I find a bit strange is that the fender of the tender seems to be lined as well. I've read somewhere that some fenders have been lined but it seems that only very few engines actually had tenders with lined fenders. Is this prototypical for this specific engine? 3.) Apart from the fender lining (I could live with that, even though it's rare); in terms of era, I am tending towards the later BR crest. Assuming that the fender lining and the early crest are correct, up to which date could the tender have carried the early crest? I am aware of the fact that changing a crest immediately after the introduction of a new one is/was highly unlikely, so I assume it could have lasted into the early 60s...? 4.) I remember a post from someone who, after wheathering the engines and therefore opning it, posted about connection problems with the connection between the tender and the loco. After a couple of months in service on layouts, has anyone else experienced such or similar problems?