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That would be very helpful, I haven't made much progress elsewhere.

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I want to model the train used for the Pope's visit in 1982, for Gatwick Airport to London. Hauled by 73142 with TDB 975025 'Caroline', two FK and BCK. Can anyone tell me the running numbers for those last three coaches?

Showing my ignorance here, but is the main difference between these and Bachmann 37-076K SECR Wagon Pack, the same difference as between a model of a particular Diagram, and a generic wagon?

Good afternoon I hope someone can help me to choose some OO Gauge SR rolling stock. I want to make up a reasonable representation of the "Bournemouth Limited", as described in this article - https://www.railwaywondersoftheworld.com/bournemouth.html This is dated as 1929, so does not cover the 'modernised' train in Malachite Green that ran from 1937. I have a King Arthur and a Lord Nelson. The coaches are described as "...the steel panelled rolling stock of the latest type of which the train is composed, the green finish of the vehicles giving them a very pleasing appearance" which I assume means the new Maunsell coaches, with 'low' corridor windows, in lined Olive Green. The formation at Waterloo is "...the first four vehicles are plainly marked “Bournemouth Limited”. These are a corridor brake third, corridor third and first-class coaches, and a second corridor brake third, all of which are destined for Bournemouth West. The entire train is composed of ten vehicles, the coaches for Bournemouth West being followed by a corridor brake third, a corridor composite, a dining car, and a corridor third for Weymouth, and by a corridor brake composite and a corridor brake third for Swanage. The various portions of the train are clearly marked, the destination boards of the coaches for Weymouth being lettered for Waterloo, Bournemouth Central, Dorchester and Weymouth. Those of the Swanage portion indicate equally plainly that these two coaches serve Wareham and Swanage." The Bournemouth section is probably one of set 204-209. I don't think there are straightforward models of these, but a few years later sets 241-247 were being used. Hornby have produced the 243 set, other than the 'high' windows I'm not sure what the differences were. I feel uncomfortable with the description of the Weymouth section, since it does not appear to be one of Southern Railway's standard sets with a brake at both ends. In contrast, David Gould (p. 50) says 'One of the 390 class sets was running as a 5-coach portion of the Bournemouth Limited, with an adaptor fitted Dining Car and an Open Third of the 7864-9 series marshalled between the Composite and one of the Third Brakes.' Hornby have made Set 392 as R4394A and R4394B for the Brakes and R4299B as the Composite, produced a Dining Car R4816 and announced R40030 – SR Maunsell Third Class Dining saloon No. 7864 to Diagram 2652 in SR Lined Olive for Q4 2021, which will give me something that is close enough. For the Swanage portion the Brake Composite can be modelled with Hornby R4318 no. 6571-4 but I am having trouble identifying the Third Brake. Gould (p.58) has '2-coach Nos. 179 and 180, for the Swanage portion of the Bournemouth Limited' but that is for coaches built in 1930. In 1929 the Third Brake may have been an ex-LSWR coach, again I'm not sure which. Can anyone clarify these for me, or suggest other suitable models which could be used?

Good afternoon, this seems to be the correct thread for my questions, I hope someone can clarify this for me. I want to put together a representation of the Brighton/Dover/Margate to Birkenhead train as it was under Southern Railway in the 1930's. I am fairly certain that this was made up of two sections that started on the Kent coast (and may have joined at Ashford) plus a third from Eastbourne and Brighton which joined up with the other parts at Redhill before heading to Reading and Oxford on its way north. The excellent spreadsheet produced by SREmG has three inter-regional trains made from Maunsell stock in 1929, Brighton to Cardiff (set 428), Bournemouth to Newcastle (set 458) and Bournemouth to Birkenhead (set 459). David Gould (p. 53) writes about new coaches for these and also Order 365 coaches on the "Margate to Birkenhead through service". Neither Gould or SREmG have a set number for this train. I have been assuming that this train had the same formation as the others, BTK-CK-TK-Dining-CK-TK-BTK or similar. However the order also includes some Brake Composites which do not fit in this formation. Gould (p. 62) mentions set 223 working as the "through portion from Hastings and Brighton to Birkenhead" and is in the spreadsheet as BTK-CK-BTK. A timetable from the 1950's shows the service still running with through carriages to the coastal resorts. Gould (p. 108) in 1960 lists 3-sets 202/3 as "Ramsgate/Hastings - Wolverhampton" and reminisces about the Margate train at Redhill with 'the delicious aromas that only a dining car can provide.' The formation then was Composite Brake - Buffet Car - Open Second, Corridor Second and Second Brake. So my questions about 1930s - Was the longest part of the train the one that started in Margate? Was it the same formation as the other Inter-regionals? Where did the other parts start from? Are the set numbers known? I would be grateful if anyone could answer these for me.