jonny777

How can the info be duff, when it actually happened? - except 24 minutes after the broadcast saying it had already happened. Do you not find it suspicious that the BBC has 'lost' that recording? From one of the most newsworthy events of the century? Do you also not find it suspicious that hundreds of people recorded that broadcast, and every time it was uploaded to Youtube it was deleted within an hour or so? In the end, the video was continually re-uploaded so frequently that Youtube had to admit defeat.

Sorry, dyslexic typo. Whatever the time was, it was supposedly the same time we were there.

I could tell you a true personal story, but I can't because I'm too scared. The story would blow everyone's socks off; and is more sinister because all I did was recount my innocent observations on a web page. What happened next would make me realise that everything which is mentioned on a bog standard hobby website is being monitored by someone - and this was 20 years ago. Heaven knows what is going on now. All I know is that we are far from being told the truth by those in power.

Exactly. I remember going to an Angus Steak House in London, and eating one of the most tasty steaks I can remember. I was with a work colleague and we had only really gone to look around the record shops and have a few beers. We finished our meal about 6pm and walked to Piccadilly Circus underground where we caught the tube to Marylebone and home (as it was then). After a decent nights sleep I remember switching on the radio at breakfast to hear the news that the IRA had bombed the area near Piccadilly Circus and there were a number of dead people. My first thought was that this must be wrong because I had been there and heard no explosion. Maybe my watch was wrong, or the precise time of the explosion? I don't know, and most likely never will.

Ok, I'll bite (which is what this thread seems to have been started for - to pour scorn on folk who trust no one in power and don't believe everything the media tell them to believe). Tell Occam to cut these down to a conclusion based on no assumptions.... The Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of controlled demolition. Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration Improbable symmetry of debris distribution Extremely rapid onset of destruction Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds 1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples Evidence of explosives found in dust samples WTC 7 also exhibited characteristics of controlled demolition. Rapid onset of collapse Sounds of explosions Symmetrical structural failure Free-fall acceleration through the path of what was greatest resistance Imploded, collapsing completely, landing almost in its own footprint Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds Corroboration from Danny Jowenko, a European controlled demolition professional Foreknowledge of "collapse" by media, NYPD, FDNY The three high-rises exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire: Slow onset with large visible deformations Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires) Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer-lasting fires have never collapsed And all that is before we get to the fact that live BBC TV rolling news announced the collapse of WTC7 24 minutes before it happened.

Would it have taken that many? A number of people dressed as contract workers, and appearing at night and weekends for a few weeks would probably do the trick. Would anyone worry about men in overalls carrying large boxes while appearing to work on lift shafts? Any vast lengths of cabling could be easily passed off as fibre optic upgrades to the internet system. Once everything had been installed, I'm sure operating the remote control would take even less people. I'm not saying that is what happened, just that it is possible over a period of time with not that many people.

37425 and 37411 are seen at Buxton circa 1991.

You're moving the goalposts. Just because something may be lies or pure nonsense doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. If you wish to go down the road of labelling everyone a conspiracy theorist, simply because they believe something which could be lies or pure nonsense, you may have a problem with church-goers on a Sunday. Edit... And I should have added, even more of a problem with party political broadcasts; but that might be one too far for the mods.

Well, don't say I didn't try.....

I understand your point, but how can you spot a falsehood in a well argued conspiracy theory? Taking my previous example, Edward and Richard were condemned to the Tower Of London and subsequently vanished without a trace. Richard III declared himself king due their 'missing' status, and many people conclude Richard was the prime mover behind their disappearance. There are no falsehoods here, just a lack of vital evidence; but it is still a conspiracy theory. You have to be very careful when educating children to disbelieve what a majority consider to be falsehoods, because down that road lies brainwashing and indoctrination.

What I find rather worrying, is that this subject seems to appear in a thread every few weeks; and the same people make the same attempts to use it for reinforcing their own personal opinions (using less than humorous cliches), rather than make any effort to explain why they feel the need to do this. The current implication is that any hint of belief in a conspiracy theory makes someone a "whacko". Maybe this applies to William Shakespeare, because he was one of the instigators behind the Richard III conspiracy to have the princes in the tower murdered? Does this make Shakespeare a "whacko"?

The U1 performed its banking ritual between 25 and 30 times a day, so some of the firemen must have worked very hard during a shift.

It was a great station, and very impressive to a schoolboy; and I went there a few times with my Dad, but I discovered the delights of Midland (far more 'cops', the Blue Pullman for a time in the middle of the day, and the GC on the bridge across the station) and I'm afraid to say that I used to lobby for an extended visit to the competitor of Victoria.

Is that really surprising? 60 wagons, even older wooden bodied ones, are going to be quite a formidable load (something around 1100 tons fully loaded) to get up 3 miles at a minimum of 1 in 40, and even steeper in places with mining subsidence. That the U1 did it's job for a quarter of a century, is the kind of unsung work which happened without ceremony in those days.

Don't worry, because there is a campaign to have lessons on 'how to spot fake news' taught in schools over the next few years. So, all we have to do is slap a label "Fake News" on anything we don't agree with, and no one will believe it any more. For instance "Edward Thompson = destroyer of everything Gresley".... Fake News. That is that argument sorted.

The Cliffe-Uddingston cement trains were about 1000t loaded when I saw them pass through Grantham, although I'm not sure if the 9Fs hauled many of the PCV trains which were 30 wagons plus a brake van. I'm also not sure how many of the earlier Presflos made up the train before the new wagons were introduced. I suspect the details are in a Railway Observer/Trains Illustrated somewhere. Might it be that the 9Fs could not accelerate the train from a standing start quickly enough to pick up water at troughs, and therefore had to stop more often to use the water columns at stations?

I believe they were the train for those people who had saved Persil coupons and traded them for free tickets - Kings Cross to Aberdeen and return.

50046 is seen at Newton Abbot in 1984. Sadly, the focus leaves something to be desired.

I can't do a triple header, but I can manage 50046 and 50012 passing Teignmouth circa 1984. I'm not sure if this was some form of railtour, but there does seem to be a fair amount of window hanging going on.

It was sarcasm; but if you believe certain areas of the MSM they are responsible for all the bad things that happen.

And road building/improvements could be charged an extra tax for the environmental destruction they cause or help accelerate; not just directly but indirectly due to increased amounts of SO2, NO and CO pumped out by exhausts. For decades everyone (including me) has simply ignored these gases because they are invisible; but our urban children and grandchildren are suffering for our insatiable appetite for the freedom to go anywhere we choose at a time we choose. Sorry, I am drifting away from Beeching - but I doubt Marples-Ridgeway took any notice of the land they bulldozed, or the creatures living in/on it.

Plus Vladimir Putin, and Kim Jong-Un.

Warm and sunny here in North Somerset, although it was thick fog when I got up. The stresses surrounding Dad's funeral have subsided now, and the grandchildren have gone back to school, so peace and tranquility have descended here again and it is time to get back to normal. In fact, I am now feeling somewhat guilty that I have no elderly relatives to worry about. Dad had outlived all his relatives and most of his friends from that generation, and now they are all gone - which gives me the shivers when I realise that in the overall family hierarchy, I am the next in line.