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  1. On 24/02/2021 at 22:38, Ravenser said:

     

     

    Let's have a go at these....

     

    The block of E suffix numbers are presumably the record of a complete ex LNER formed train:

     

    E16475E  BTK  ; E13440E all 3rd  ; E21746E ex NER vehicle ; E11182E, all first? ; E9154E Buffet car Dia 185 , conv frm Gresley all 3rd; E13398E, E13344E,  all thirds ;E16286E BTK, E16182E BTK,

     

    Some very second string 9 coach express with an extra BTK on one end, for some reason (a portion? But no 1st class accommodation. Unless the CK in the next list is part of a 2 coach portion? or the BTK is the start of the next rake?)

     

    Then: E15587 - Mk1 CK, E9248 - BSO, E24156 - SK, E24211-  SK,   (Can't make sense of this - a Mk1 BSO at this date might be expected at the front of an ECML express - but this group of coaches plainly isn't)

     

    E43130 Mk1 non gangway BS , E46167 non-gangway S, E46210 non-gangway S, E46214 non-gangway S , E43125 non-gangway BS   (Clearly a 5 car inner suburban set)

     

    As for the first block 

     

    E34482 - BSK, E4269 - TSO, E34476 - BSK, E4326 - TSO, E13635 - FK, E4293 - TSO, E13100 - FK, E15694M (ex LMS, dunno), E34731 - BSK, E4306 - TSO, E4291 - TSO, E9215 - BSO,  (This looks like something with lots of portions - but they're all 2nd class???)

     

    E25693M, ( no idea what this LMS vehicle is, probably goes with the subsequent train??:)

     

    E80967 (BG - originally allocated to LMR) , E13125 - FK, E11 -RFO;  E80001 - RK, E1000M - RSO?, E25021 - SK, E25040 SK, E25023 SK,   (Lots of catering but seemingly only an 8 coach express?)

     

    The spotter may have only partially recorded some trains, as some of the formations don't quite make sense to me.  Maybe someone who actually understands the subject can identify what we are really looking at here? 

     

    The only comment I would make, is that if the person who made the notes was in possession of a platform ticket, he might have been walking down a platform with a train on either side and recording the numbers of both formations alternately? He may also have listed the catering vehicles in a separate column to the others? 

     

    What I can tell you, and might be useful - but I had failed to appreciate at the time of posting - is that E15694, E15693, E1000, E25021, E25040 were in maroon livery; but the others were in crimson/cream. 

     

    This is the reason for the 'M' next to E15693 and E15694.  E25693 is a typo on my part. 

     

    E21746E has a 'B' next to it. Whether this means that it was still in pre-nationalisation brown/teak I don't know - but it would be surprising in mid-1956. 

     

    Sorry to mislead you. 

  2. Given that nothing is set in stone, and could be subject to reintroduction of restrictions if the relaxing of rules leads to a raised infection level, it would be a bold/brave organiser who committed to the investment for a big show this far ahead of the calendar. 

     

    For example, the Dorset Steam Fair has been cancelled for this coming August because the upfront financial commitments are far too high to gamble on a "maybe" scenario. 

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  3. On 18/02/2021 at 11:25, 125_driver said:

    During the 1990s I have seen plenty of footage of class 47s dragging a HST power car plus barrier vehicle between depots for maintenance purposes, but I dont recall seeing a Power car dragging a 47. 

     

     

    It wasn't just 47s which dragged power cars and barrier vehicles in the 1990s. 

     

    Here is 37051 passing Dawlish Warren in 1991. 

     

     

     

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  4. With a visit to Kings Cross, it would be rude not to drop in on St Pancras and then Euston; and maybe even double back to Liverpool Street in order to see what was around. 

     

    St Pancras Dec 18th 1956

     

    M34392, M15336, M4428, M15683, M24142, M24838, M34700, M34125, M24422, M24438, M34099, M15382, M3046, M3768, M24844, M24397, M34469, M3M, M6866M, M27440M, M1108M, M1111M, M30077M

     

    Euston

     

    M3748, M24107, M35051, M3017, M53234, M46076, M80677, M15924, M21025, M13060, E80792, M4366, M24105, M34399, M1546, M35049, M24679, M24678, M4424, M3735, M30025M, M27291M, M28005M, M29617M, M28818M, M30098, M30078M, M247M, M13008, M13177, M34529, M15644, M15251, M15937, M13175, M3712, M24085, M24041, M34577, M15454, M15219, W80720M

     

    Liverpool Street (a few wagons also)

     

    E24636, E15469, E24245, E24244, E34496, E15756, E416, E2355, M10571, P106119, P118980, E290269, B102137, B128972, M135035

     

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  5. 53 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

    The following numbers may be useful to some modellers. I found them in an old notebook, and it appears a bored spotter turned to writing down carriage numbers in addition to locomotive ones. 

     

    Anyhow, this is from Paddington on December 19th 1956. These are in the order they have been written into the notebook. 

     

    W15117, W25105, W35034, W34816, W24541, W24716, W1008, W13133, W13128, W34815, W34842, W34824, W25121, W15610, W25086, W34773, W7, W1011, W9266, W3817, W3818, W3814, W3815, M34657, W3819, W3813, W3820, W9267, W21155, W34810, W13140, W24539, W24358, W25059, W34763, W25083, W24360, W13135, W9620W, W612W, S1311S, S24485S, S942S, W34752, W34768, W13137, W15777, W25069, W25066, W34760, W35025, W25112, W15613, W15819, W21156, W15861, W25051, W34813, W34787, W24747, W15535, W15537, W25055, W34308, W25157, W34861, W13079, W15071, W25142, W25160, W34865, W46167, W46013, W41057, W46144, W48053, W46152, W21160, W48044

     

     

    Prior to the Paddington visit, our carriage spotter was at Kings Cross on the previous day December 18th 1956. 

     

    Here are his notes from that visit - 

     

    E34482, E4269, E34476, E4326, E13635, E4293, E13100, E15694M, E34731, E4306, E4291, E9215, E25693M, E80967, E13125, E11, E80001, E1000M, E25021, E25040, E25023, E16475E, E13440E, E21746E, E11182E, E9154E, E13398E, E13344E, E16286E, E16182E, E15587, E9248, E24156, E24211, E43130, E46167, E46210, E46214, E43125

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  6. The following numbers may be useful to some modellers. I found them in an old notebook, and it appears a bored spotter turned to writing down carriage numbers in addition to locomotive ones. 

     

    Anyhow, this is from Paddington on December 19th 1956. These are in the order they have been written into the notebook. 

     

    W15117, W25105, W35034, W34816, W24541, W24716, W1008, W13133, W13128, W34815, W34842, W34824, W25121, W15610, W25086, W34773, W7, W1011, W9266, W3817, W3818, W3814, W3815, M34657, W3819, W3813, W3820, W9267, W21155, W34810, W13140, W24539, W24358, W25059, W34763, W25083, W24360, W13135, W9620W, W612W, S1311S, S24485S, S942S, W34752, W34768, W13137, W15777, W25069, W25066, W34760, W35025, W25112, W15613, W15819, W21156, W15861, W25051, W34813, W34787, W24747, W15535, W15537, W25055, W34308, W25157, W34861, W13079, W15071, W25142, W25160, W34865, W46167, W46013, W41057, W46144, W48053, W46152, W21160, W48044

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  7. Don't forget strange cars such as the NSU Prinz, and bubble cars. 

     

    Then there were 1970s Lancias which rusted so fast no one can remember them. 

     

    The coal merchant might not have become wealthy by purchasing new cars, but I can imagine him driving an old Rover P4 which he has cherished for years, and washed every Sunday morning without fail. 

     

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  8. This is not a combination I remember being common, especially on a local stopping passenger. Perhaps the L1 has failed in some way and the B12 is assisting, or maybe control are just avoiding a light engine movement. Anyhows, the location is not given. 

     

    It has been suggested that the large chimney on the right proves it is Whittlesea; but when asked where the sharp curve necessitating check rails appears next to the brickworks, there was a stoney silence. Similarly, Queen Adelaide might work if there had been an industrial complex instead of lakes and wetland. 

     

     

     

     

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  9. 44 minutes ago, brushman47544 said:

     

    Oh yes I remember... A good idea spoilt from a photographic point of view by the use of NSE liveried locos. As a send off to Newquay loco hauled, the 50s should have been from those still in LL blue.

     

    Oh I don't know. At least it is colourful. 

     

    Notice the slight difference in the width of the yellow on the cab sides. I wonder if manufacturers would be allowed to get away with that? 

     

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  10. 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

    Odd how the environmentalists are always going on about the loss of trees in the countryside since whenever ........ presumably they never travel by train to discover where those trees have gone !

     

    It's not quite that simple. Older and well established woodland has a wide variety of interdependent species (not just trees but flora and fauna as well - not forgetting fungi, lichens, etc.); whereas these would not have developed in 25 years on a railway embankment even if the tree growth was rapid. 

     

     

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  11. I have been trying to work out where this might be, with a road running parallel to a two track railway which would have car trains running on it. For me, that rules out the M5 in Devon.

     

    The loco is 47033, but that is not much of a help really as individual 47s ventured far and wide in later years. 

     

     

     

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  12. Here is a MetCamm DMU in the landscape during the late 1960s, but I am not sure exactly where the landscape is. It could be in Northumberland. It is in the short lived blue livery with FYE continued over the driver's doors. This appears to have succeeded the blue with SYP paint job applied to units during 1966/7. 

     

     

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  13. 3 hours ago, iands said:

    Similar to "Welly", saw a few movements of 03s and 08s in freight consists on the old ECML at Riccall in the early to mid 70s. Usually saw them in the early evening, going in both directions, presumably either going to or from "works".

     

    Yes, they were quite a regular sight in many areas in goods trains, but were usually marshalled close to the train locomotive. 

     

    A lot of brand new shunters were moved around the country in steam hauled goods trains. I have seen them in steam videos of the ECML and the GC; but those are the area of interest for me. I'm sure it happened on other regions. 

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