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More later today Dave

Give us a chance ) (I have another 66) Dave

I did rather put an end to its use. Dave

Over the last couple of years, Carshalton & Sutton MRC has been developing a new Modern Image layout for use with DCC Sound. At first it represented the end of a single line freight branch consisting of a ‘bagged aggregates loading shed’, a run round, a small scrap siding and a two road diesel depot(in front of a single road cassette fiddleyard). The configuration was somewhat controlled by the fact that the aggregates shed (8’ long) was ‘borrowed’ from a DC layout belonging to the Club. The layout was meant to be a quick fix to give us a working DCC layout to go with some members’ new found interest in DCC Sound. It was soon realised that it needed to consist of more than the end of a single line branch, so the line was extended onwards into a small freight yard(8' long). This was quickly followed by a new longer fiddleyard (to accommodate the longer trains now fitting in the freight yard) and, of course, a larger depot. The whole is now 24’ long! At this point, a name for all this needed to be found and ‘Falcon Road TMD & Oil Drum Lane’ was settled on. This first part being a nod to South London and the second being added to give an industrial ‘feel’ to the layout. NCE equipment is used for locos only. The rest of the control being standard model railway style. In fact, as the aggregate shed and freight yard can be added to the Club’s DC layout, these are wired and sectioned for DC control but with wiring suitable for DCC. Track has been built to 00SF (16.2mm) standards using code75 BH rail, ply sleepers and Exactoscale chairs. Turnouts are worked by Tortoise motors. Anyway, enough of this. The layout basically consists of three ‘areas’: the ‘fiddleyard/diesel depot’, the ‘aggregates shed’ and the ‘freight yard’. Over the next few days/weeks I’ll post a series of photos taken during construction and re-building, taking each ‘area’ separately. So, here goes with the first set on the diesel depot. Dave Please note that this is the original name given to the layout but was changed as we discovered a layout existed called 'Oil Drum Lane' Here is the second larger Depot trackwork being laid out. The fiddleyard entry is at the rear and uses Cassettes. Preparing the track and base for the re-fuelling point. Entry to the fiddleyard at the rear, line to the depot near front and the depot shunting spur ending on the right. Ballasting is with C&L fine grade fixed with quick drying (water soluble) matt varnish. This doesn't discolour the ballast or dry quite so hard as PVA. The re-fuelling point track now completed and set in plaster. 00SF's 16.2mm gauge allows 1mm flangeways to be used with modern R-T-R stock This is the back end of the two road shed when semi-completed and before any background added. Nearest the camera is the shunting neck for the re-fuelling point that also acts as the unloading point for the fuel oil. Hence the inspection pits. The first shed fitted on its concrete base. Later to be knocked off the layout by yours truly only to smash into several pieces on the floor. Much more development has now taken place in this area. More of this later.

SR Hornby bogies cheap at Abbiegails Spares. Hurry. Dave

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This subject has gone a bit quiet tonight! So here are some piccies to be getting on with. Colin. Make sure you ask me if you are stuck on anything. I have so many that these are just scraping the surface and I've picked them as I think they are probably what you might need. Don't forget. Ask!!

I happen to think you need 4 units and give me one. However, this subject now seems to be entering the realms of cyber bullying. :nono: :nono: :nono: Sorry. Just could not resist that. Anonymous!

No apologies needed or expected, Frank. Most of my measurements were taken around 29 years ago and sometimes now I doubt what I wrote. For me, most of this is sort of guess work and / or summation. Dave

Colin. I measured the front face of a queen posts and the trussing as 3.5" on 023. (ex 2 Hal) As for the 'drop', the distance from the underside of the solebar to the top of the horizontal trussing, I have the following:- on all 'short' trussing, 20". On the long trussed trailer 1' 5'5". All these must be taken with the view that I used a tape measure in the early days so .5" out is a possibility. Also I was sometimes over the top of a live third rail!!!!!! Sometimes now, I find myself doubting what I wrote down at the time. But it's more than likely correct. With the trailer 'drop' it might be wise to see if someone with access to the preserved Sub could check. The two 'drops' do look different to me. Cheers Dave

Colin, et al. When I took a few measurements from 2Bil 2090 at Brighton on 3rd Aug 1984 I recorded the following. Outside edge to outside edge of queen posts on motor coach 8' 6" (give or take a half inch). On trailer 8' 6.5". (Allowance for slack tape) 8th March 1984 on 024 (ex 4Sub) 8' 6" (both were motors) On the old 012 = 8' 6.5" (old 1925 motors) On 023 (ex 2Hal motor) 8' 6" On 5235 (motor) and 5660 (trailer) both the same 8' 6" On S10307 trailer of 4Sub = 12' 0". I note this coach was condemned in 1974 so I must have measured this at Micheldever. The only trailer trussing I ever measured. Whew! These two sizes of trussing match those given in the MRC Plans book. The Plans book shows 4Sub trailers with both sizes of trussing. The short one being on both steel and Augmentation trailers (with canvas roof). Cheers Dave

Colin. The MRC Bulleid Plans book shows the tweo differing trussing lengths on the 4Sub drawings but needs a bit more investigation. I'm leaning towards the shorter ones being from the old units whose u/f's being used for the new Subs. Dave.

By all means Colin. I don't have every piece of info but a combination of more than one adviser could give them the help they need. Go for it. Dave.

Howard, Colin and all watchers of this thread. Colin, I hope you don't mind me answering a PM from HAB (Howard) re 4Sub drawings, in which he asked if I had any with full size dimensions. I think the answer may be of interest to others. I have the odd drawing but nothing which is fully dimensioned and really not much use. However, are you aware of the drawings in the 'Bulleid Coaches in 4mm Scale' by Model Railway Constructor. It has full dimensions which I believe to be accurate. It was Edited by S W Stevens-Stratten. As he is a good friend, I could ask him if I could reproduce a copy of the coach end with dimensions. Dave

Howard. Have you ever re-wheeled a new type Hornby MB. I would like some wheels with less flange depth to run on our Club track. Dave

Here's my scribbling on the matter. When you get around to it, I'll explain some measurements if you wish. Dave.

Here's a few. I've had to photoshop a bit to bring out the details. Dave

Hold your horses there. Dave

Never noticed that before now. There again, I've never made a 4Sub so not particularly looked at trailer trussing. I'll go to my measurements and have a look. Dave

You're asking a lot aren't you? Dave

I've got the measurements for those cowls if you need them. Dave

Right, Colin. Your starter for ten, as they say. Including two differing cab roofs. Seem to remember I have a few more somewhere (where I walked along the roofs while shooting). Dave

Blimey!! Didn't dream those pages were still there. Terrible photos. Dave Terrible models compared with yours! Dave

Looking forward to this, Colin. Can I temp you to do a De-Icer next. Well, after the Sub anyway. Dave

Found the following Colin. Quote; From; The 4 Sub Story. Southern Electric Group In general, interior design has been covered in earlier sections describing the `4 Sub's' as built. Here various details and modifications, many of a minor nature. are considered at greater length. The most important experimental vehicle from the earlier batches of ` 4 Sub' units was trailer 10463 of 4377. Several of its features were incorporated into the open coaches of the production batches, in particular non-subdivision of the interior and armrests at the inner ends of the seating units. Few of the experi­ ments tried out on various other coaches proved a success, and were usually removed at the first opportunity. Perhaps this shows the soundness of the basic design. From; Southern Region Multiple-unit Trains. Southern Electric Group The next batch of units entered service in 1947/48 in reverse numerical order, starting at 4377 and working back to 4355. Accommodation reverted to all ­compartment, except for one trailer in 4377 which was a saloon without any intermediate partitions. This vehicle, 10463, which is still in service, had advertising panels between the tops of the seat backs and the luggage racks, a feature that was not repeated. 4377 had a total seating capacity of 402. 4364­4376 had the same formation and seating capacity as 4111-20, but 4355-63 had no "composite" trailer and thus had an increased seating capacity of 432. Withdrawn April 1976. Hope this helps but you probably already knew, that's why you chose 4377. Dave