philiprporter

Exactly my thought. APT and class 81 are what my money is on. Probably dreaming but no harm in that!

What puzzles me is that the shades of grey and the location of the logo look more or less correct on the box artwork. Is the box artwork a photo of a real model or is it computer generated?

Yes that's my fear - normally I wouldn't have an issue removing a number or nameplate or even something larger and re-applying and re-spraying where needed, but the proximity of the cant rail strip to the area needing decal removal means I also don't fancy this job. A bit gutted as I've wanted a bog standard triple grey 60 for ages - I'm hoping Hornby may rectify this on subsequent batches? Having said this, I'm assuming they are aware of the error? May try and mention it at Warley and hopefully not cause offence.

I'm wondering how easy it would be to remove the logo using the normal meths or t-cut on a cotton bud method given the proximity to the orange cant rail stripe? I wouldn't fancy my chances-and redoing a cant rail stripe and making it look good is always challenging-at least for someone of my skill level!

Goodness me what a howler. Looks like the whole logo has been applied too high up the bodyside - from the photos I've seen of the real thing, the base of the solid blue square should be aligned with the divide between the two shades of grey - its well above it on the model. I was debating whether to buy this having been waiting for it for a while - not so sure now and removing a decal that size and re-applying could be fun and games.

Re-releasing some of their iconic models with new tooling would be wonderful - the 81 and APT would be fantastic, the latter may appeal to old and young and given the success of the 87 and the Bachmann 85 and 90 am I dreaming that AC motive power might be on the 'up' in terms of manufacturer interest?

Saw this at the GETS today and it looks even better 'in the flesh' - its going to be amazing and I can't wait!

This looks absolutely phenomenal!!

I'm away at the moment so can't check, but I'm 99% sure they are n-Brass Locos Oleo buffers. Cheers, Phil.

Many thanks Simon - I ordered one and it arrived yesterday - very impressive! Do you have any experience of fitting point motors to Tillig points? They flex rather than pivot and I'm not sure what motor is best? I'm assuming a solenoid type is not a good idea?!

Thanks so much for posting this Simon. How do you get on joining it to Peco track? Are you modelling the Kings Cross Milk Dock area? I've managed to source a slip from a German shop so I'm hoping it will arrive soon and I can try it out. Best wishes, Phil.

That's great thanks so much! The Tillig slip looks just the job!

Does anyone happen to know what sort of point/crossing is being used here - as shown in the two first pictures of this thread? Is it some sort of single slip and is anything like this available in model form? Many thanks, Phil.

I'm not sure of the time limits, but it was either on the PayPal website or the Barclaycard website that it mentioned the time limit for chargebacks was 120 days, but that this could be up to 580 days (that figure is from memory so I may not be 100% correct as I am away from the desk at present). Have a look at the useful Barclaycard sire (https://www.barclaycard.co.uk/personal/help-and-support/know-your-rights) and scroll down to chargebacks and look at the example of Hassan - 11 months time scale. I made the point in my communications with Barclaycard that I was expecting the APT by the end of this year (not unreasonable given the repeated assurances from DJ - although now we know this was never going to have happened) and that we only found out about the liquidation of the company a few weeks ago, so in terms of time limits, the clock started ticking then as far as I am concerned - that's just my view of course, not necessarily a legal reality. As I said earlier though, I am not holding my breath on actually getting the refund in the long run - it has been credited to my account (Barclaycard paid via PayPal), but 'pending further investigation'. I think the most important thing needed is evidence from the liquidators, so anyone who hasn't registered with them and is pursuing claim needs to do that - well covered here and on the other DJ thread concerning this issue.

Hi Keith - I paid via PayPal using a Barclaycard but when I wrote the letter to them, I made it clear that my claim was not eligible for a section 75 claim (because I paid via PayPal) and so I wanted to initiate a chargeback. If you look at the Barclaycard website you can see some useful guides as to the differences between a section 75 claim (not covered if you paid by PayPal) and a chargeback (potentially covered if paid via PayPal). I was refunded my APT deposit by Barclaycard, but this is 'pending further investigation' so it remains to be seen whether that 'investigation' will end in Barclaycard asking me to pay back the refund - we shall see.

I hope this may help those who, like me, paid on credit card via PayPal. I've had the APT deposit refunded after sending in the forms for a chargeback (as opposed to a section 75 claim) with all the paperwork/evidence I could lay my hands on, plus a detailed letter. This was a platinum Visa card so I don't know if being 'Platinum' makes any difference to anything, but hopefully this means that others who used PayPal and paid via a credit card may receive refunds. At the time I ordered, I believe I am correct in saying that PayPal was the only payment option, but I was not one of those who was randomly refunded when PayPal insisted funds were repaid and therefore I could not then repay the deposit with a credit card (which would have then allowed me a straight section 75 claim). Anyway, I hope this helps.

Thank you so much for your kind comments which are much appreciated. I started with chopping up foamboard on the kitchen floor (the only flat surface big enough!) and never thought I would get anywhere close to a finished layout so I really hope you can do the same and end up with a Pennine layout to enjoy! Do keep us updated how you get on and best of luck!

Having said all that Andrew now I'm wracking my brain and poor memory, I'm wondering if I cut down the Peco curved girder sections to make them flat topped. I say this because I don't think the Wills vari-girder is available in n-gauge, but I did also make use of OO gauge bits as they just looked right (the embossed Plasticard on all the stone walls is OO gauge as the n-gauge sheets just didn't look right). I'll get the layout set up again in a couple of weeks once I've moved and hopefully report back with a definitive answer! Thanks, Phil.

Hi Andrew thank you so much for your kind comments and I'm really glad that the layout has provided encouragement to a fellow modeller, as it was seeing the work of Graham Hedges that inspired me to build my first complete layout (I'd dabbled in OO previously with limited progress!). I'm 99.9% sure the bridge plates on the overflow and the canal bridge are from Wills vari-girder packs. The overflow plates were cut down and hacked about and I think the canal bridge ones may have been trimmed too, but unfortunately the layout is in storage at the moment as I'm moving house so can't check to be 100% sure, but I hope this helps in the meantime? Best wishes, Phil

OK that's great thanks for helping me!

OK now I'm really baffled?! I'm probably being very dim, but what has Winnie the Pooh got to do with anything and why are the next few days of importance? Ignore me if I am missing something very obvious here!

Likewise I had another look at the several that were on sale at Quorn yesterday at good prices, to see if I could convince myself - but no, they just look too wrong.

Thank you so much for these kind words. Chris Nevard and the team at Model Rail did an amazing job and I'm blown away by the quality of the photos and the article in general!

Thank you so much Ben and also for your kind words of encouragement throughout which have helped me get the layout over the line and more or less finished. Best wishes, Phil

Thats brilliant John thank you so much!