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Hi Lez Now you have and pointed it out, I can see the rails just coming out the shed now... and yes I guess Life Boat Shed face the sea like you say... It's actually facing away from Llanfairechen Station, and the rails coming out of the shed are pointing towards the Viaduct and on to Penmaenmawr, I would have expected it to face towards the station unless there were other track down prior to the carriageway being built. Thanks Lez for that insight... Regards Jamie

Hi The Ex-TS No. 48204 Twin Bogie Coach aka MKIV (What would have been) and can also be seen in the bottom photo next to the NMD Centre Power car from when I last saw and spoke with Kit aka Mr APT at Crewe, his knowledge is beyond all compare... Hornby R4970 Ex-TS No. 48204 / 977527 Twin Bogies Jamie

Old vs New Jamie

What once was and what now is, I'll be catching the new Pendolino next month I just hope its the new livery and not the ghostly white version or un-branded Jamie

370 003 & 370 006 as seen at crewe Jamie

HI Sarah, I take it Penyffordd is still an active line, I'd go and catch the RHTT train from there as it some times used to wait for the signal and I'd go and sit with guy in the signal box... Yes... there a house with an old semaphore signal in the garden at a junction I turned right at and the hose was right in front of you on the junction and I'm sure from memory in the garden was the old station and ramp up on to the platform when I was on my way to Chester, but every time I passed it, I wasn't sure if it used to be a station or whether he just collects Railway mania... and made the station himself... I think it may have been the old station house to as the house had all the markings, as he we on the local news several times and he use to show the all what he had collected, I'm just trying to recall where about it was, as it was cut through to A55 to get in to Chester, from Leeswood. If it was an old station, is that the area you are basing you layout on then or did Wrexham have other railway lines that no longer exists... as in, an old disused railway line...? Do you still live in the Wrexham area still...? I'm now right near Snowdon now after I left Leeswood, I moved back to my house I already had, just out side Caernarfon on the Porthmadog road. I miss Chester though, its a lovely place... take care... nice chatting to you. I have added you as friend if that is OK with you... Regards Jamie

Hi Paul Yes, I had a phone call from Cheltenham Models yesterday to say the Red Pack Limited Edition is now in stock, but as I have ordered the Yellow Pack to, they said the Yellow Pack will be in by the end of this week, so they said they will ship them together, getting excited and can't wait to see them running... Do we know what DCC Chips, I will need to fit inside them DCC wise...? and Is it still 8-pin or a 6-pin as there doesn't seem to be much room looking at the photos of it...? I may as well buy Two DCC Chips now so they all arrive together... Bonus, lol All coaches have different Names to, which is what I wanted more than anything... as this will be my oldest loco on my layout to run, lol .... I guess that applies to every layout with regards to the Rocket, nothing else older is there... lol, It's not my Era, but I just had to have one, or two... lol Regards Jamie

Hi Anthony An old building with no Slate Tiles on the Roof, just a shell of a stone building... I did wonder if it was a small engine shed for a small steam loco, when I got to this side of the building to see a full opening. unless it was an old slip way down to the see fore Life Guard etc, as you can see slate or concrete floor rather than sleepers. If you need more of the Windows etc and the un-slated roof, just give me the nod, and I can upload more, if this may be a building to model. Regards Jamie

Hi Anthonay The Signal and an old derelict Hut of some description... Regards Jamie

Hi Anthonay The Signal and an old derelict Hut of some description... Regards Jamie

Hi Anthony View looking towards Bangor, and this is Llanfairfechan which is the next stop after Penmaenmawr. The small Terracotta building on the far Right below nearest the sea is the Pavilion Cafe where I go regularly to lunch or cuppa-tea, when ever family come up to visit me... highly recommended and good value for money to... Taken from the Flyover Footpath over the carriageway looking at Llanfairechen and on towards Bangor... The small Terracotta building on the far Right below nearest the sea is the Pavilion Cafe. Above, is facing towards Penmaenmawr and the direction of the Viaduct. Behind the tree you can see the Signal and an old derelict building with no Slate Tiles on the Roof, just a shell of a stone building... Regards Jamie

Penmaenmawr Viaduct 3 of 3 The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor. Arch No. 09 Arch No. 10 Arch No. 11 Arch No. 12 Arch No. 13 Regards Jamie

Penmaenmawr Viaduct 2 of 3 The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor. Arch No. 05 Arch No. 06 Arch No. 07 Arch No. 08 Regards Jamie

Penmaenmawr Viaduct 1 of 3 The next views are looking directly down to each individual Arch and are in order from Arch 01 to Arch 13, going from right to left or Penmaenmawr to Llanfairfechan and on to Bangor. Arch No. 01 Arch No. 02 Arch No. 03 Arch No. 04 Regards Jamie

Hi Anthony Well I have been out to assess the situation to day, weather wasn't that good and only started to rain once I started to walk back to my care, but I was impressed to say the least... to see the Viaduct in person... 13 Arches and How many Car Arches are there...? I counted 6 possible 7 but the angle didn't helps, and it looked as if the last Road arch turned out of view as you see the Road bend to the Left in the distance, on the Second Photo below. I only took a little over 900 Photo's so not to many lol but I differently need to go again, I did spot one man walking around near the arches down on the beach, so my next attempt will be from beach level looking up, and that will give me some great photos of the road Arches behind, and will be able to take photo's of the Sea facing side of the Viaduct for you, rather than the inner side or road side of the railway arches. Facing towards Bangor... Facing towards Bangor... Train is heading towards Penmaenmawr... Train is heading towards Penmaenmawr... Looking towards Penmaenmawr... Regards Jamie

Interesting to note (thanks to Dixie Dean for asking for the 370 003 photo's) I just noticed on the Photo's of 370 003 above, did anyone spot the 481## numbers on the side, some are at the front near the Cab end, whilst others are near the other end towards the back of the coach... I wonder how many APT-P's had that format, was this another change to get the look right in some way... Jamie

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Hi John... whatever you say mate... let's move on hey... The Blue... I still say, that's the way the light is reflecting on that part of the APT as there is a very slight curve at that point as it comes down to the Nose Front, but is diffidently not Pure White like we see on the White Line. Evan if you were to walk past the train on the station you wouldn't really notice the change, how it been pointed out from a far and photos, taken from a distance, it's the way the Camera captures the light, so it look different, the same is true on the Virgin Pendolino, the Red reflex different shades of Red as the front of the cab rounds off, but it's still the same Virgin Red. I think the Curve can be seen slightly on the photo I uploaded with the Nose Cone lifted up to reveal the Buffer Beam, etc... is very slight but its there. The Green... I really can't answer, (Apart from see Blue, above) but again I still think it is due to the slight curve on the body, and the way light reflex differently due to the slight angle of the bodywork, as to how it impacts on how we see it... interesting as 370 007 is fairly dirty, it's noticeable the main dirt starts at the bogies, at high speed the only moving parts to throw up any sort dirt are the wheels so it logical that dirt as an impact on where the bulk of the dirt would build up the most, around the bogies.... but hey what do I know. Black... hey what do I know... we have spoke about this earlier in the Thread a few pages back. I don't think this was ansered as I didn't know the answer either. I would however... like to know what the time period of these different Logo types were added or changed and in which order came first, unless it was some kind of Livery Test Trial as to improvements to which Logo looked best as it was a whole new livery for BR InterCity... but like I said... what do I know. If the Cap Fits, then wear it, as the saying goes... According to some on here, with barely a sentence in length on both comments, is just unwanted negativity, but apparently we all should know the answers on this thread according to them, do people not just take a second to think what they write and the impact that can have, rather than ensuring positive comments on here along with respect for others, when it's on someone else's genuine comment for answers, if you are not prepared to answer a question, by leaving it to others on this thread as an answer, is sickening and just shouts out Troll and keyboard warrior to me... why comment at all, if you have nothing constructive to say towards any thread, in order to help and to improve the knowledge of others and while at the same time expanding someone else's knowledge for the better. This is exactly how trolls do start by getting away with the odd single sentence here and there throughout the RMWeb, when commenting negatively on other peoples comments... it's unwanted, uncalled for, and unnecessary, and an inconvenience to everyone having to read and having to put up with it, towards those who have asked a genuine question.... I ask myself, really... If you are going to come on here, then respect other peoples opinions, (Yes, we all have them, I'm quite aware of that) if you can't answer a question or not even be prepared to answer anywhere close to it with a positive thought going forward on the question raised, then don't leave a Post at all, leave it to those that do know the answers, or have the balls to say... I don't know that answer, sadly... It's a far better answer than that is what I would do, and what do I know... I stopped coming on the RMWeb a few years ago due to the constant negativity and unwanted comments by the few, or I came on very rarely. I know there are some decent people on here, I've met a fair few of them over my time. I come on here to gain knowledge or to help other to gain knowledge. we see enough negative stuff in the news everyday as it is, the last place should be on the love for the railways and Modelling. Rant over... Jamie

Hi Dixie Dean Hope these will help you, help, found these on Internet and not my own contents. The British Rail (2nd Photo) seems to be an advert of some kind by BR themselves. All should be 370 003. And an Un-Numbered, although it would be interesting to see what the 481## is on the side which as the number. Jamie

Hi John, unsure of the point you are trying to make to be honest with you mate. But, Thank You for your comment and input. The information about 370 007 is what is in the book (All 3 Books in fact, although these are wrong according to another post) as you can see from what I uploaded in above posts (370 007 which were built as a Spare DTS 48107, as was TBF 48607) the fact that they have used it probably more often out of all other Numbers, along with 370 005 or 006 on the rear for the most part, in photo's that state the rear Car-Numbers in some photo's. The fact that the Rakes I have put together in MY last post, I was merely trying to make a full rake of 14-cars (Just like Hornby have done) but I have tried to involve the book information along with the running numbers Hornby are releasing. Hornby may have showed that photo of "370 007 leading a train with 6 coaches, at least 1NDM & who knows?" (as you say) and may have released numbers that are possibly not in that rake in that Photo you refer to 370 007 etc,.... who know's.... as you have rightfully said. Personally, I am only interested in running a 14-Car sets as I know from that, all other possibilities will be possible and preferably what ran Prototypical, or at least try to run what is Prototypical. If I knew the numbers 6+2+2 formation, I would amend my list accordingly to include those formations to, even though Hornby only seem to put together the two 14-Car sets just like I have done (Which is why I am confused in what point are you trying to make) I have copied suit by using what is in the three books, along with what Hornby's 5 and 7 car sets are and which Hornby Twin Pack you need to have to enable a 14-car rake, and I was showing that based on Hornby;s Information and the nearest to a Prototypical rake you can run/use on your layout. If Hornby released the formation Pack you need to run a 6+2+2 formation, or I got the information from... a dare say it, a book, then I would have done the same thing, so I could add those accordingly to the List in the Last Post... I can see it as annoyed you in some way but how, and why, is not clear to me at all, therefore I will not upload any future book or books information, or state from any book or book as they appear to be incorrect, by a another post. I do apologies for the distress it as had on you. I don't quite understand where your last part of your comment comes into the equation that you have raised, with regards to the Colour white...! and the colour under the nose looks to be the same white as the stripe between the red & dark grey... (as you have said) You have thrown me altogether on this one John... but as you have raised it... I have uploaded 4 photos for you, Have I got it wrong..., (and I, also see the same Colour in the Post above, taken off Hornby's Website Photo aka 370 007) Firstly... I see the colour under the nose as the exact same colour as I see on the side profile on the bottom half of the APT-P where the Bogies are and up to the Red Line where you see the Running Number 48103 within the Red Line itself. Secondly... so you are saying... the part under the RED, you are saying, is WHITE below the RED Line, and the same WHITE in colour, as the WHITE LINE seen above the RED LINE, which continues up and over the Cab roof and Dark Grey in the Top Half which comes down to join the WHITE LINE...? If I am wrong then, I stand corrected and apologises for my mistake and Mistakes in advance of, but I beg to differ John, and I would be interested in what other people see in the attached photos, I would say that it maybe cleaner part of the APT-P or it's brighter due to the way the sunshine is hitting it, but it's still by no mean WHITE, and the same WHITE as the WHITE LINE. Photos, don't lye but apparently book do, .... Is this a case of... do you see the Sea as Green, OR do you see the Sea as Blue... or maybe... That famous dress colour in the press/news a few years ago, do you see White and Gold OR Blue and Black Dress... Regards Jamie

Hi Kevin Thanks for that Close-Up Kremlin, the lighting gives a great atmosphere with the shadows off the Ladders and also the weathering in the panels below each Window and those below where there is no windows... superb Sell it Kevin, It would be sad to see it broken up, to never take your excellent photos of it, You can always PM me of the asking price you want for the layout...? What is its full size set up...?, Regards Jamie

Updated my List... Showing the Hornby Formation vs APT-P Formations according to 1980 / 1981 & 1983. Regards Jamie

Hi Mel_H Thanks for the insight Mel_H... I'd be interested to see what did actually run over those years, if the book is indeed incorrect... and the running numbers within each rake, while we can name some 14-Car Sets and every running number on a particulate rakes from certain published information. What about the running numbers of the other Sets...? What numbers were the other APT-P Rakes and there running numbers... I'd be interested to know more, if you can... I understand some APT Coaches may have been swapped around fairly regularly or remains out of service while maintenance etc gets carried out or even internally modified, to get the Tilt mechanism correct etc,. Regards Jamie

Hi Kevin The attention to detail on the building looks superb in the above photo, is it possible to upload a photos of the Ladder area and what above the Roof over hang...? It's always great Kevin to look at this layout, shame it's not possible to adapt it for you, so to eliminate the crawling underneath, I know the feeling. Trouble is, when we first start out doing these long term layouts projects, we are much fitter and more enabled to crouch underneath with relative ease, then as we slowly age over time, while the layout starts to look even better over your time of modelling on it into what you have today. We find out where we went wrong and not making it more accessible in the earlier years, the layout is far to good to attempt any alterations. Everything about this layout is stunning, from the Modelling, the details and the Stock you run on it. Keep up the good work Kevin and take it east mate. Regards Jamie

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