Pennine MC
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... If the critism came with suggestions for fixing it then it'd be surely be more welcome.
Not always appropriate though. Sometimes it's a case of 'point X is wrong, it's not easily fixable, but now you know it's there, you can make up your own mind whether it matters to you'.
Long live constructive critisism.A caveat Bernard, if I might - constructive criticism and free, informed choice. As Jim sagely pointed out, just saying something is great isnt actually very informative.
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Rivet counters will rivet count, modellers will model!
And some, oddly enough, will do both; no real need to post divisive comments, IMHO.
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Where is Russ when you need him?
Given that he's kindly taken the time to place the definitive info elsewhere on the Web (link below), I dont think he's obliged to cruise around forums just in case somebody wants to ask him a question:
http://www.railblue.com/rail_blue_history_2.htm
Sometimes it's better to go to the source of the information, rather than expect it to come to you
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I was mightily impressed with Bill's design for the chassis: any failures evident (and I can see several now!) are a consequence of poor eyesight, a natural tendency to shaking while concentrating (I must remember to breathe when I do this) and a passing avian agressor that managed to make its leavings look similar to solder. The brake levers took some tweaking; having measured, compared and stuffed up a couple, I did it by eye in the end. You could say that the wheels be holed, but the levers bespoke
.Jan, it's lovely work and I hate to mention this but those pushrods are arranged the wrong way - they should slope downwards from right to left on that side of the wagon (assuming it's Morton braked, which the presence of the clutch would suggest).
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I wonder what the branding said?
NOT TO BE USED FOR P WAY BALLAST OR OTHER ENGINEERS' MATERIALS (or something very much like that) - applied to these and SR 8-plank opens after the sideways opening doors had resulted in one or more incidents.
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Bit nervous about taking a drill to my model in this awkward spot. Some of you guys have fitted the pipe - did you drill a pilot hole or just cut the fitting back slightly and glue straight on? I can see this detailing part getting lost if its just relying on being glued to the face of the beam......
Absolutely, even without getting knocked, a flat glued joint shouldnt be trusted in those circumstances, and back in 'th'owld days when we had to make and fit pipes ourselves, a drilled hole was standard practice. If you're wary, make a slight indentation first with the tip of a knife blade or something else pointy, then the drill is much less likely to slip. And use a pin chuck rather than a minidrill - again you'll get finer control.
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Interesting brake rigging on the first wagon, seems to incorporate some sort of self-propulsion mechanism
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Don't worry Dave someone will still find a fault with it,
Pardon my naivety, but is that not the idea? Dapol have been keen enough to invite input thus far, is it suddenly not welcome?
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Mark, can i make just the teensiest comment about the supervan you have in your last picture - in respect of the brakepipe on the end.
I may be wrong, but I believe quite a few of the first series of "supervans" were airbraked but also were vacuum "blowthrough". This means that as well as the air brakes they carried a vacuum through pipe on the buffer beams. On the headstock this vacuum pipe would technically have the metal part which the rubber hose was fastened to, painted white thus indicating a through pipe.
The thing with that particular Bachmann model is that it's not numbered as a run of the mill COV AB, but one of the prototypes for what became the VDA. Production VDAs were AB only, but that one, having been converted from an early van (the type that later became VAB/VBB), may well have been vac piped. I can't say for certain because I've never seen an early period photo of it - it would be interesting to know what image Bachmann have worked from for that one.
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This is a remarkable photograph if genuinely Jan 1965 - two of the "SNCF" minerals (the only steel minerals easily seen)5 ex Private Trader type wooden minerals and an unfitted open merchandise (which in 1965 were commonly used for coal) and more of the same mix on the row behind!
TBH my first thought was that the date is correct, and that they're in store (or maybe 'one journey, loco coal' status?) - if it was an earlier date, you'd expect a more representative sample of steel wagons.
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[... What I've noticed is that even though they're different, for the era I'm modelling approx 58-65 there is a sort of uniformity in the weathering. An occaisional 'fresh' one looks ok, but a really knackered one. and there were a few, looks odd amongst the fleet.
I know what you mean here Paul, though to me the overall-rusted one would blend in more than a cleanish one, as that's a hard look to pull off. There is indeed a homogenity though in the 'typical' 1960s ones - they will obviously differ from each other in terms of shape, size and amount of rust flakes/patches, but there are certain wear points that go first maybe 80% of the time. In later periods, changes in painting regimes and the greater incidence of body repairs produce more variation. I know it sounds initially daft because rust is rust, but I can often approximately age a picture by the appearance of steel minerals in it - a rake in the early '60s looks different from one in the late 60s, and a 1970s one different again.
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The 'MCO' on the IU site is a bit of a daft description really as none of the French ones survived to carry that code. The one at Ludborough is AFAIK one of a pair, the doors were most likely removed by BTP (British Titan Products) of Grimsby when the wagon was acquired for the infrequent flow of ilmenite from Immingham. The flow later used tipplers built on 35t tank underframes and was one of the last two unfitted freight flows on BR.
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The bad news?...as above really,because the clear inference must be that these are not selling at all well,
I disagree, it's not a clear inference at all.
. Slow sales of the retooled Jubilee were cited as a reason by Bachmann not to retool the bodies of the locos that are recieving new chassis (the V2 for example).
Not quite correct IIRC, the reasoning was that the Jube and the Standard 4 had not sold any better than if they'd just had new chassis.
Maybe because the Jubilee model, outstanding though it is, has been around for a few years now, ...
As Rob says, the retooled Jube has been out at least four years, possibly more, I'm open to correction but I think these examples are the second run.
Every time something is sold cheaply, we go through this process of speculation, overanalysis and getting two and two to make five. It'll just be stock clearance to make way for newer items, it's hardly an unknown phenomenon with consumer goods.
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You must mean 68901 in the bottom shot
I do indeed, post now edited.
That's a b*****r... I'm modelling c1960... !!
I wouldnt worry too much about that, I think folk get generally far too hung up on 'correct' livery shades. Particularly after the 1964 changes, despite what the official line might have been, all sorts of shades and hybrids could be seen. It would soon darken in traffic, particularly coal traffic, though you might want to consider toning it down by way of working towards the subtlety of the others.
I dunno, plenty of prototype evidence in this thread that says they are all different, a problem can come from looking too much at something on the model that in real life you wouldnt in a sense,.
what I mean is you dont want them all to look the same, which is a hard thing to stop yourself from doing once you've got 1 or 2 that you really like.,
It's a very valid point, and originally I had said in my post that I thought the right hand one was the 'best' one... but then thought 'Well what defines 'best'?' Plenty of real life examples I think 'Nah, don't like that' and others make me ponder 'Now that looks good'. Some look 'better' than others, but it's a wholly personal thing.
I can identify with both of these posts. Once you've cracked a technique, it's very easy to start applying it to everything. In my case though, I've been working on so many of these things for so long that they can't hep but look different. Dave's point also touches on the idea that although weathering should definitely be based on the real thing (and an amazing amount of it patently isn't), it is sometimes advisable to 'interpret' the prototype rather than slavishly copy it. I suppose that's where the artistry comes in.
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564872 I like very much Alan, 69190 isnt far behind it - well defined edges to the patches and a bit of shade variation. 68901 in the bottom shot doesnt quite work for me though, the rusting is stark and much less subtle
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A couple of links here which someone in France sent me, showing modifications carried out to the Charles Roberts-designed sloping-side minerals sent to France at the end of WW2;-
Those are brilliant Brian, I recall mention of some being converted to such use but it's not something you expect pictures of.
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Even without the larger scan, the green coach is a Mk1 - as part of the exchange that Brian mentions, the LMR at least acquired some quite elderly Mk1s which it simply reprefixed and ran into the ground for a few years.
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In most cases, you do need a brake at each end if you're modelling the Scarborough-Whitby-Middlesbrough line, although I doubt that so many people are doing so that it would result in a shortage.
Maybe you underestimate how influential you are, Richard
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I think they've just sold quicker than the rest Tom, on the (mistaken) assumption folk have that they must have a brake at each end of a rake.
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Yes, hurry up you two. Some of us are waiting to open those nice blue boxes
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Not just minerals Mike, it's fairly commonplace on most BR-era wagons. Not sure when it actually started but it may have been a blackout measure.
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...sometimes ... the picture says it all.
In that case, it sure does.
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I'm surprised there's not been more appreciation of the Edgeley shot, I think it's a cracker with the way it contrasts the old and new orders so graphically. On a detail point, the 16 tonner at left shows evidence of a stanchion repair, which wasn't uncommon.
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Dapol Class 56 - Photo Review
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Posted · Edited by Pennine MC
Indeed we have Dave, but where do you see the solution?
a) Should those who are satisfied with a given model just accept that others might want to discuss any areas of concern, and not seek to treat the latter as pariahs, or;
b ) should those who seek to improve standards give up on that aim, and just accept that their aspirations in the hobby will be shaped by others with lower expectations?
In my experience, it's almost always the first group who take exception to the second, not the other way round. There's a basic lack of tolerance here, and most of it is only flowing one way.