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  1. I think the MPV siding looked better in the previous version even though much of it had to be offscene. It has an uncomfortable kink in your latest plan and there doesn't seem to be quite enough room for the up platform. The down sidings as you had them drawn were probably too short to stable a convincing train so they aren't much of a loss. Perhaps a single longer siding in this location would be better? One small modification would be to lengthen the sidings in the branch fiddle yard in case you ever wanted to run loco hauled Weymouth trains.
  2. What the heck has that got to do with this thread? How different is that from the GWR building the 48xx at the same time? Both were essentially Victorian locos in new clothes. You hear almost nothing about the 2P tanks but they lasted until dieselisation (most withdrawn 1959) despite the availability of more modern types from 1946 onwards.
  3. Fair enough, but the latest issue was only released this morning!
  4. Strangely, though, having a picnic on the fast lane of your local motorway isn't and we take precautions when driving or crossing the road. We're individually bad at evaluating risk but we still have a basic perception that some activities are riskier than others and that our behaviour can be a significant factor.
  5. Where does this figure come from? The Office for National Statistics estimates an infection rate of about 0.07% (70 per 100,000) at the end of July: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/31july2020 This is about 1 in 1500, so the likelihood of at least one visitor to an exhibition being infected is high enough to be of concern.
  6. Sorry, I haven't been following every post on the thread and thought lifting flap already meant a hinged flap.
  7. A few thoughts: There are some conflicting interests at the bottom left. The station needs to be a bit longer and it would be nice to also increase the radius of the main line curve; but the branch will become tight if the junction is pushed too far left. Worth a little juggling to see if things can be tweaked I think. Reducing the angle between the main line and the board edge would make it easier to accommodate the branch junction I think (and the aesthetic price would really be small ). Any main line trains entering or leaving the left hand end of the storage sidings will have to use the branch line from the station; could you fit a junction on the lifting flap so that only local services are seen running onto the branch at the station? Re the goods yard and traffic, assuming it is a local goods depot, it would be served by whatever stopping goods trains run in the area and possibly some specialised services such as local coal trains, but there would be plenty of through goods too, really limited only by the capacity of your storage sidings. A few carriage sidings at the junction would be useful for stabling branch trains and would ease the pressure on the storae roads.
  8. Sorry I'm very late to the party, but this instantly shouts "Cleethorpes train" to me, though admittedly a few years earlier than your period and I'm not at all sure about the catering provision. It needs at least one Mk1 BG as well for the time I'm thinking of (pre-1985 and preferably pre-January 1982). I think this service became an HST for a while before disappearing from the timetable, but was 47/4s and the occasional Deltic when I was watching it through Lincoln St Marks. Always nice to see Lincolnshire modelled.
  9. That's what comes of being raised on GWR cowpat green Mr Johnster though I agree that apple green is perhaps too light a shade for a big engine such as Tornado (it looks fine on a more compact machine like an A3). My favourite livery for an A1 is Ian Rathbone's beautiful fictitious Great Central scheme which would have made an excellent BR express livery in my view (it would go well with blood and custard carriages provided the same shade of crimson was used). Regarding outline, I think pacifics are at the limit of what can be built within the british loading gauges without looking too long and narrow and for me the A1 is aesthetically borderline, sometimes looking very good and sometimes not quite. The LMS Coronation is the same, though for some reason not the Princess Royal, which really is too long and skinny by any objective criterion. But to me it just looks supremely elegant.
  10. The Great Central laid them out as middle sidings (see Sheffield Victoria - Grimsby was similar) connected like a long crossover with a trailing point at each end. No use for through running of course. If you do want trains to overtake, a loop each side with two through lines would be a frequent solution. Add a trailing crossover at each end and you have a workable station that can easily terminate and reverse trains. If you need to save length, you can bring the crossovers inside the loops using a single slip as here at Lincoln (an additional slip needed because of the extra loop platform face), which also shows bays and/or dock roads on the departure side.
  11. AFAIK, you need facing point locks on all points over which passenger carrying trains run in the facing direction. So, assuming you don't want to have bi-directional running through the platforms, you will need: - right to left main line: facing point on scissors; entry to platform loop; entry to sidings; facing point on scissors; - left to right main line: facing point on scissors; entry to platform loop; facing point on scissors; - left to right platform loop: facing point into shed. You don't need FPLs on trailing points, or on the sidings side of crossovers. BTW, there is an interesting page on the s-r-s site showing diagrams for Stockport No.1 and No.2 in 1976. These are mechanical boxes controlling a colour light installation, fortuitously in the North West, and seem to confirm @Jeremy C's suggestion that the main signals should be on the platform ends and outside the crossovers, with associated subsidiaries for shunting moves. However, route indication for the 'homes' seems to be by theatre indicator rather than feather. I think the subsidiary position lights would have their own stencils but I could be wrong there. There are also some discs for reverse shunting movements, but none that would be passed by running movements in the right direction so far as I can see. Your sidings are a bit of a fly in the ointment here and I think the exact setup would depend on how far they are from the platform end and what they are used for.
  12. It would work just as well in a GWR guise - they had industry too. The point was to find a way of running trains without necesarily needing hidden sidings, as you have most of the facilities needed already in the plan. GWR would mean fewer interesting locos though, unless you could work in some of the South Wales constituents
  13. Ok, what would I do with the layout in the latest plan? The following occurred to me while washing up... - I would set it in an industrial region - ex-GCR in South Yorkshire, say, which would fit with the island platforms (and see the original Borchester for how atmospheric subway access to an island can be); - but with running powers for the Midland and Lanky of course; - I would add crossovers either end of the bottom station, with a single (not double) slip at the left hand end giving access to the mpd; - I would add two or three carriage sidings with cleaning platforms between the running line and the shed loop (depending on what space would allow); - I would add a trailing crossover on the lifting section, to allow access to the 'hidden' sidings from the inner circuit; I would increase the number of sidings by as many as space allowed and add a trap one end and a headshunt the other; the sidings would become a marshalling yard in full view; - I would make the yard on the inside of the top station into a small local goods yard with at least one private siding for play value, but it would need to shrink a bit to allow for the marshalling yard; - goods trains would be easy, starting and terminating in the marshalling yard; there would be stopping goods and trips to serve the station goods yard, industry and mpd (coal, ash, parts etc); - local passenger would be easy, starting at the bottom station with stock from the carriage sidings and possibly reversing at the upper station; - long distance and express passenger and parcels would be more tricky as there is no main station for them to originate or terminate at; however they could start in the carriage sidings at the bottom station as empty stock and after a circuit or two the signalman could pull the 'shazzam!' lever to convert them into service trains; at the end of their run, replacing the same lever would convert them back to empty stock for return to the sidings; - I would drool over the current and back catalogue of suitable GCR, MR, L&Y, LNER, LMS and BR Std locos (a surprising proportion of them from Bachmann as it happens) but still whine that no C13 is currently available.
  14. Well that shows how the stylisation of a Quail diagram can bamboozle the unwary! I uploaded the attached (basically identical to your 1980 plan) dated June 2011, presumably by tracing over Google maps or similar - I can't remember now. When I came to check it against the Quail plan today, it looked so different to me that I assumed they were actually different layouts and it's taken me some puzzling to see that they are in fact almost the same thing. However it does seem that the Quail diagram has missed out a facing connection from the down line to platform 4 and I've corrected my sketch accordingly (new crossover marked with *). I have an N gauge version that I drew at about the same time, but as you say, there's no way it's going into 1600mm without major compression.
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