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  1. The point I was trying to make is that an NG railway doesn't generally have a proportionally smaller flange depth, crossing clearance and tyre width compared with standard gauge and, at least in the larger narrow gauges, these may very well be the same. It's not simply a scaled down version of SG and narrow gauge railways don't therefore need ever finer tolerances as the gauge reduces. The argument for using P4/S4 is surely one of scale accuracy and appearance. With very fine tolerances and compensation, it demonstrably is possible to get scale wheels to run entirely satisfactorily on s
  2. Interesting. I read some of those articles a few months ago. They seemed to think that the best way to get better runninng in 4mm scale was to reduce absolutely everything to scale. It struck me then, that if that were true ,narrow gauge track and wheel standards would simply be scaled down versions of those for standard gauge but a glance at any N.G. railway shows that not to be how it's done. I've just found, in one of my old files, a 1970 track catalogue from De Dietrich's Reichshoffen factory from 1970 that includes specs. for various standard "SNCF old model" turnouts and sl
  3. Hi Gibbo Sorry to create confusion. It was the situation where the gentry's road coaches were loaded onto flat wagons, with the gentry still aboard, that I was thinking of in terms of fire risk. I gather that their horses (or enough of them) were sent ahead on an earlier goods train, presumably accompanied by their groom, ready to take them on to whatever stately pile they were headed for. Of course we now do something similar, though in far less style, when we drive our horseless carriages onto trains and stay in them to avoid seasickness in the English Channel -plus ca change! H
  4. (Going back a few days but I've only just seen it) The trouble is that it also explains why they're called coaches. I do like that model Gibbo. Would the passengers in the coupé* at the front (unless it's just the perch for the brakeman) have been supplied with rugs or would they have simply frozen? In the early day they allowed the posher passengers to ride in their own carriages chained on flat wagons. I always wondered if they ever caught fire due to the effects of a nearby locomotive. I suppose that's one way of getting rid of the aristos. *(They had these half compartme
  5. I have several of Edward Beal's books and there are a good number of buildling drawings in them and he's got a but there's far less than in John Ahern's book about actual modelling techniques even in the post war Modelcraft "Railway Modelling Series" book five on architecture . I've also noticed that the only one of his books that I have (all of them AFAIK except Railway Modelling in Miniature) that has many photographs of his own layout is West Midland published in 1952. His railways were far more of the "as much operation as possible" school (nothing wrong with that of course) with building
  6. Many of us are also engineers. (My own degree was in engineering following a Marine Engineering OND though my career took a different path )and very many people here are professional engineers in a wide variety of disciplines including professional railway engineering. Very few of us "play with toy trains". Most of us are trying to recreate aspects and create impressions of the full size railway as it is or was. That inevitably involves compromises and a lot of our discussions are around thes best ways of managing or even embracing those comppromises. As to "cutting out bits of paper
  7. I don't think Peco's answer is simple but it was ingenious. Simple would be to produce turnouts of different lengths with different crossings, which is what you have with their 83 line products made to NMRA standards and quoted by frog number but, to enable more complex poinwork, you'd need slips and diamond crossings as well for each crossing angle. In fact, for their 83 line, Peco only produce a 90 degree crossing and a #6 slip, Such complex pointwork is far less common in American railroading (though not unknown) Absolutely true Phil, though even so I'm not sure that
  8. Well. SMP turnouts and other pointwork are still being described by Marcway in terms of radii rather than crossing angles and that's not RTP. It's a practice that seems to go back to the very start of the hobby and may well have resulted from the standard ways of laying out points. For handbuilt trackwork, as described by modellers such as Peter Denny (in his Buckingham Branch Lines part one there's a detailed description of this) points were set out by drawing out the straight (or less curved) and the curved track to the desired radius usually with some transition. The crossing angle would
  9. I'd noticed that with the 83 line templates but assumed it was just to get the templates out at the same time as the product. It's interesting that people are complaining about Peco's full size templates when, AFAIK, they're the only manufacturer to supply them at all. The only point of an engineering drawing would be to enable you to build points wih the same geometry yourself and that's obviously not what Peco want you to do. The question of the actual radius is interesting because just about every turnout quoted as three foot radius, that I've been able to get hold of, including SMP,
  10. I couldn't disagree more. I scratchbuild my buildings in card, paper and foamcore. I use modern adhesives (Deluxe's 'Roket Card Glue' is particularly useful) I use a computer to design amd modify them from original images , to print out the elevations, often several times for overlays and raised details, and even to print the wallpaper used inside rooms as well as any signage (either reduced from images of real signs or created using various font files) . The buildings I model are not even British. I have several books on my shelves about modelling technques for buildings and a file of
  11. It seems a very long time ago now. The last major show I visited was the CMRA exhibition at Stevenage . Several of us from our local 009 Society group in N&W London etc. (the Buccabury Group) met up there on Saturday 11th Jan followed by our annual curry evening which was that evening in Kneebworth - another distant memory. I was particularly struck by Fintonagh, Harlyn Pier and Aerodrome Park with its ingenious kick back fiddle yard The only other show I got to last year was the French Railway Society's "Winter Rendezvous
  12. And for those of who believed the lies about how easy it was going to be. We Told you So!! The catch with companies like Hornby International is that they may not bother to sell more than a few items from their non British outline ranges (Jouef etc.) in the UK so there'll be no easy way of getting hold of them. I shall be very interested to see what happens with Peco as they sell a lot of track in Europe.
  13. Hi Martin Sorry to hear that your baseboard was not succesful but grateful to you for sharing your experience with it. I'd been thinking of using blue insulatation as a baseboard material but your experience of it not remaining flat in storage may suggest it's not such a good idea and maybe sticking to conventional timber construction would be better. Do you think the warping was that down to the insulation board itself or the box section aluminium framing that I think you said you were planning to use. Was there something in the structural form of it that pulled it out of shape?
  14. Well they do tend to have a day off in the week in lieu of working on Sunday so, with everyone else at work, probably a good day to get some modelling done but, that apart they seem to work a lot more hours each week thana typical nine to fiver. ISTR a comment whch I think was from Peter Denny himself that he only did a few hours modelling each week but, having quickly achieved a modelling standard he was happy with, rarely wasted anything he'd already built. Tony would know how much noticeable difference there is between his earlier and later models but I believe, for example,
  15. Hi Mark It looks interesting How have you found having an L shaped (or perhaps more hockey stick shaped) fiddle yard. I don't quite have enough length for the adapted Minories I want to buid and that could be a solution. The high level station building behind the buffers is not unknown in city situations. Euston Station is a dramatic example but there were smaller one. The District Railway terminus at Ealing Broadway was/is a good example and though the station building is now a parade of shops and the access stairs have of course gone, both the building and the original
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